F-14 Hotdog-you forgot to add potential FOD ingestion issues, potential head-on RCS issues, problems with the exhaust in VTOL mode, and a bunch of others. And what room for growth? The airframe was damn near packed as it was.
Negro please, the engine fan is well hidden from view if you looked at the intake straight on. You mention room and space, the F-35 isn’t exactly roomy either 😉 , however should a need for a new engine comes in, we know which intake will give it sufficient air flow. We know you’re biased towards the sexier looking object.. the F-35.. the YF-23, the F-16, your taste in cars, and your preference in chatting with me 😉
but sometimes the uglier brute does the better job. and with two pigs who are unlikely to match the F-16’s a2a ability for borsche, the X-32 wins hands down as the better A2G aircraft with more potential for upgrades and range.
Hopefully Japan will adopt the X-32 design for it’s maritike strike fighter after it cancelled the F-2 fiasco. Go Boeing!
deepest condolences to the family of the pilot. It’s sad to hear that the Peruvian AF lost one patriot 🙁
damn you spaniards! I wish you guys kept the giant crosses on the tail of your aircraft, it looks soo sexy!
Is this for the Republika Srpska or Federation of BiH? I assume you mean the Muslim(FBiH) side! .
yup BiH, is Srpska officially recognized as an independent entity?
btw, why buy MICA since it has shorter range than R-77 and R-27
Because the Mica has a high off-boresight and snap-up/down capabilities, and versatility that is superior to even the AMRAAM, a hyuk! Something kids obsessed with range and radar fail to factor in their analysis of what makes a good missile. :dev2:
Okay, so the Russians don’t seem to want the R-77, they’re waiting for the ramjet. Wouldn’t that drive costs up?
Furthermore what’s the envelope that it can engage targets at, the lesser range Mica has a high off-boresight and snap-up/down capabilities, something that exceeds the better range AMRAAM
-The Mig-29M is not going to come with all kinds of political strings attached, and the Russians are rather much less likely to slap embargoes and such on you during the war than the Americans will.
Negro please! You whine so much about political strings yet are so blinded by reality. Ask the Taiwanese, Argentinians and Israelis their experiences buying French.. ask the Peruvians about French business practices.
As for the Russians, they’re nice, if you’re patient enough to wait for your spares and weapons being delivered waaay beyond time, and often of shoddy quality, just ask the Indians and the Chinese. Political strings with russian weapons, ask the Bulgarians when they tried to upgrade their MiGs, or ask the Pakistani’s why t hey have hordes of Russian weapons :rolleyes:
How exactly was the fugly X-32 superior to the X-35?
Oh i dunno, perhaps because the X-32 has twice the volume of the X-35, the possibility of more range due to it’s larger wing, a lower wing loading, thanks to that same wing, the “Monica” mouth intake offering massive air flow, thus for more room for growth potential, and a nice high view for the pilot. but it seems some people can’t get around the issue of looks, isn’t it Scott? :rolleyes:
what’s wrong with the Il-78 in that role?
Flogger, don’t listen to these BSers, they haven’t been there.
I can tell you for a fact that I’ve been to Stavatti and sat in the prototype.
The picture of the “office”, is Stavatti, I will admit that, but what people fail to mention is that the rest of the airfield is also Stavatti,
using the same logic, this little shack is representative of the entire Edwards air force base, even though it is only ONE part of the AFB
As for the aircraft, it’s not stealth and has no internal bay like they state on their page, it’s just an intention. There’s no advance avionics either, a majority of the aircraft is all simple dials and instruments and it hasn’t flown yet, but it is built.
hope that helps…
:dev2:
I am, i generally write pornography
And the fact that it’s something like 2.5 times cheaper than the Sewer Hornet. F-18C/D is no longer in production and E/F is only offered. I am not sure the Sewer Hornet is 2.5 times more capable than the Mig-29M for say.
so how much does the Super Hornet and MiG-29M2 cost eh? 😉
Yes just as you regarded native american as savages and called the eskimos or indians. Please we can continue this forever, so for the sake of avoiding an continuing argument we should regard the organized Japanese attacks against china as Piracy. .
Now now, since when did i ever call indians and eskimo’s as savages, please show me a post where I said that.
And to the chinese at the time the only Japanese is Pirates
don’t you think that it applies to japanese at this time too 😉
Historically Japan have always been hostile toward China, can’t really blame them having been so small of a mountainous country, glancing a wealthy neighbour
of course, since you insist on using history as a basis to justify your claims..we then bring up another thing you said
FYI we are only talking about the coastal area so please stay on topic! Can’t ignore the fact that Japanese were pirates!
so what’s the difference between a barbarian looting and pillaging a village versus a pirate looting and pillaging a village. besides.. some of them invaded China before WWII 😮 😉
I guess that means you’d have problems with them developing first strike capabilities eh?
You brought up the subject of the possibility other pirates.
I have to correct your views. FYI we are only talking about the coastal area so please stay on topic! Can’t ignore the fact that Japanese were pirates!
no shiet sherlock, no one ever denied the Japanese were pirates except your assumptions, which you tend to do. Of course it they were not the only pirates..
the Chinese seemed to have a hard time differentiating Koreans from Japanese and i quote
“”Ming Shi”, in the section on Japan, claimed that after first Ming Emperor Taizu quelled Fang Guozhen & Zhang SHicheng factions, remnant rebels fled to the islands in the sea and then harassed the coastal Shandong Prov. (There was no differentiation of Chinese rebels from Korean or Japanese pirates here. “Ming Shi”, in lumping Lin Daoqian’s banditry under Japanese pirates in Taiwan, pointed to the collusion between Chinese and Japanese. “
not to mention that the Chinese had their own sets of pirates, ever heard of General Zheng Zhilong? 😉
of course, some fail to look beyond one era and nation, to realize that ships with mal-intention came from other regions in other time periods, and i quote
“Emperor Daoguang decided that British must be punished for their pirate acts”
:rolleyes:
Chinese have a garason on it, Japan have nada
both PRC and RoC have forces in the Spratley.
so you admit that before the occupation of these rocks, it wasn’t populated? perhaps Japan should do the same then 😉
The Island Japan that claims only surface after the high tide! It’s nothing like the Spratley!
so you say that there are no rocks in the spratleys that are submerged during high tide? please, I’m dying to know which rocks/islands these are since you seem to know about every island.
Typo and sadly everyone makes mistakes…
sadly, you make many 🙁
Isn’t WW2 bad enough?It’s called world war for a reason! I think they killed more ppl in ww2 than in almost all of the conflicts china fought!
mind you both china and US never fought any real wars… it’s called police conflict.
but you said:
The US army is only effective in the gulf war because there wasn’t really any casulties… had some 10K soldiers died in that war than the US would have pulled out due to internal political pressure imposed by the populus.
and
Had the war lasted another 4 more years and the death toll rises dramatically, I believe the democrats would be in place of the republicans and end the useless war…
http://forum.keypublishing.co.uk/showthread.php?p=528625&highlight=war#post528625
among others, so is it a war or is it a police conflict? stop flip flopping on me senator hallo!
in any case, stop avoiding the subject and answer the question.. how many armed conflicts with foreign nations had China had after the end of WWII and how many did Japan have? 😉
Canadians are special because we have both english and french living in the same country! Yet we still see some distinct confrontations. Europe is much worse off.
such as? if Haley was here, he’d smack you for mentioning Canada in such a degrading way
As to the upgraded F-14s, this was never a real possibility. First, the basic Tomcat airframe did not possess the built-in necessary “growth space” or usable internal volume that the Super Hornet did. Basically, to incorporate the technology in the F-14 that has been done with the E/F would have required a significant redesign of the aircraft’s interior-not a cheap prospect at all. Upgrade it all you want, but you still have 30-plus year old airframes being remanufactured at a rather high price versus an entirely new aircraft.
The A-6F? Well, that was cancelled in 1989 in deference to the planned A-12….which itself didn’t materialize.“I’m looking foward to the day when USN F/A-18E/Fs were to encounter IRIAF’s Phoenix-armed F-14s while the former is on CAP over the Persian Gulf area.
I really pity the SH pilot/s then! Imagine, being shot down by the plane that your own country has retired!..”
Now, what exactly can the F-14 do versus the E/F? Is the Phoenix a proven ultra-long range weapon against tactical aircraft? Uh, no. The Phoenix was designed for use against larger, slower flying aircraft which had limited maneauverability at distance-i.e., big Russian AVMF Tu-16s attempting to get close enough to fire AS-2s, AS-4s, AS-5s, etc at the general center of a battle group. But, not so much against Su-30s with tactical anti-ship missiles.
So, when you realize that the effectiveness of the Phoenix against modern threats is questionable and when you understand that the primary weapon of a modern F-14 against this type of threat would in fact be the AIM-120 anyway, what differences are there between the Tomcat and the Super Hornet?
First would be speed. Undeniably, the Tomcat is a faster plane and the E/F is a Mach 1.5 airplane with a decent weaponload. Does the Tomcat reach preferred launch range quicker with the AMRRAM than the E/F? Yes. But, the Tomcat’s 6 Phoenixs are 50/50 at best and then it’s down to the AMRAAMS-which it only packs 2 anyway. The Super Hornet arrives a little later, but with 4-plus missiles which are more likely to achieve a kill in this scenario. Winner?
Also, look at the basic airframes themselves. The Tomcat may beat the E/F to the spot, but it will show up much sooner on the enemy’s radar screen due to it’s structure. The F-14’s right angles and aluminum body glow like a Christmas tree on the Flanker’s radar screen at around 60 miles. The E/F is blessed with a lower RCS due to basic design and the materials used, so who has a better chance of getting into firing position with their AMRAAM before detection? At best, it’s a tossup in which case the Super Hornet’s AESA will be the determining factor.Now, the “tanking” argument is just ridiculous. Let’s see, how many Navy aircraft hve doen this job before without a bit of concern…? The A-4, the A-7, the A-6, oh, and the F-18 A/D…
The “Buddy” refueling job is something that various Navy aircraft have performed for decades. So, the E/F is doing this job now? Tell me, what other navy airframe is available for this job? The KA-6? Gone from the inventory. The KS-3? Slipping into history as the aircraft is being withdrawn. That doesn’t leave just a whole lot of aircraft which can perform the fast-jet AA refueling job, does it?
This is no reason for surprise, it’s simply doing what most other Navy tactical aircraft have been asked to qualify in doing.
The F-18E/F does not get the credit it deserves.. yet people drool over aircraft with presumed future abilities :dev2:
I trust that’s £60 million? :diablo:
nope, $66 million USD
read it and weep
http://www.expatica.com/source/site_article.asp?subchannel_id=58&story_id=14754&name=France+spends+EUR+3+billion+on+Dassault+fighter+jets
:dev2:
but to be fair, the Typhoon looks much manlier than the girly man Rafale 😮