According to Brazilian sources the Brazilian AMX A-1 cost USD $18 million dollars, has an Israeli built radar Elbit M2001B, can use Rafael

Sure about that? Italian sources for at least the Italian AMX stated it was about the same as an F-16 they use. Infact many Italian pilots complained about the AMX “why buy the AMX when it cost as much as an F-16 when it offers half the capabilities?”

Look at what a waste of space for ordinance it has.. the two fuel tanks take up much needed room for anything large. At least the Su-25 series are pylon whores.

Back to FBC-1/JH-7.

Crobato: Checked Huitong’s site out, apart from the standard info (like engines when it came out etc) it doesnt go into detail about weapon systems etc.. just mentions RWR (no specific type) etc. The other site was more helpful but couldn’t read much of it. Anyway back to what you mentioned..about PLA thinkers debating about JH-7 vs Su-30MKK what are your own personal opinions about it.

It does appear to have standard sensors like RWR and various forms of EW. Technically, the JH-7 is probably the most complex jet the Chinese have built to date until the J-10. The plane is just crammed with stuff. They also include FBW (the first Chinese fighter in operational service to do so) and terrain avoidance.

They also continue to improve it—the first 20 original planes (not counting the prototypes) appear to be an operational experimentation pending the release of more Spey engines and the development of the WS-9 (whichever came first—the additional Speys came right ahead before the WS-9 started production.)

As a first try, the first 20 planes should expectedly have teething problems, especially for a plane of this complexity and for an aviation industry still in a growth and transition stage.

The next 20 planes or so (the so called Block 2 JH-7) and the JH-7A (the next 20 planes after that), seems to affirm that the design now appeared to have matured and so are the avionics (sporting glass cockpits with two MFDs in the front cockpit and 3 MFDs in the rear).

It’s still a hard sell because of the MKK and the J-10 in the PLAAF (especially with the advent of the multirole J-11B* and the two seater J-10B), and the MK2 in the PLANAF. It’s up against more modern “looking” airframes, but then again, a bomber/strike fighter function don’t require sexy aerodynamics. Still that may be hard to convince politicians, admirals and generals with limited technological knowledge it ain’t so.

The killer “app” for the JH-7, and probably the reason why its around is because no other plane can launch YJ-8X series from the air other than experimental H-6s, Q-5s and maybe J-8IIs. The JH-7/7A with four YJ-83s (reported to have flown 255km) is the greatest antiship threat currently in the East Asian seas until the Su-30MK2 gets fitted with Kh-59MK AshMs, expected to be delivered next year.

(*J-11B is allegedly the J-11 fitted with Chinese radar and engine, reported to have its first filght in December 2003).

Looking at its prospects, XAC (Xian Aircraft Company) is hedging its bet for survival by gambling and moving on to the civilian market with the regional jet AJR-21.

Fair enough my goodly friend.. but if we were to take just external physical looks.. airplane like the Tornado has the “lumps” and “bumps of where the EW and other electronic sensors are, I would circle it for you but I am lazy. In comparison the JH-7 looks much smoother and free of them except for that small “lump” at the rear of the tail.

Anyways, if you are saying that the JH-7 is the most menecing threat until the Su-30MKK gets armed with it’s AshM’s I am assuming that the Su-30MKK will be the superior aircraft. And then in that case.. why should the PLAN or any other customer buy a specialized air frame like the JH-7 when the Su-30MKK can do it’s Anti-shipping mission as well as having an undeniable edge in A2A? (apart from wanting indigenous manufacturing abilities)

Islam- tolerance, some absurd but good laws, excellent economic system

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can you go into detail about the economic system?

Hey weirdos stop hijacking this FBC-1/JH-7 thread into a AMX/Su-39 thread, it’s why I made a seperate one.

Back to the FBC-1.. interdiction is all nice but does it have the weapons, sensors, EW, etc to be as competitive as the Tornado?

Hambuger- Lets get this point clarified as it seems your presence on this forum is for the sole purpose of mixing fantasy with reality. Most every country in the world other than USA, Western Europe and Japan is going through a process of industrialization, moderization, democratization, etc. Obviously these countrys are all looking to the USA Western Europe and Japan as sources in which to find what they need to carry all these things out. For some reason people in the US seem to take this evolution as “they want to be like us” as though american culture is some kind of “perfect” society. Americans dont understand its the simpleness and openess of american society that draws peoples attention. The result is comical in that americans who lack the suffistication of cultures like France sort of float around in this dream of McElitism. Atleast its funny with you because you are purposely coming off funny. Its not funny when guy from Alabama comes down here to Mexico and starts acting like they own this place.
As for me being American, yes I grew up in the US. But my connections to the US now are nothing more than a hinderance and a nuisance which I will be very glad to shake off.

Oh stop crying, no one was ever talking about industrialization and modernization.. how did it get to there when the topic was about your name :confused: geez, don’t tell me you suffer from some kind of complex to.. not you my tasty friend!

As for people owning stuff.. I can assure you we own quite a bit of property across the “border”.. hell on both borders 😀 . You will develop and we will help you develop and provide jobs. Got it hombre? 😉

And proud of it. Or do you really think the whole world is going down your McClown route?

Oh it already has you Americano! 😡 😡 actually that’s a good thing 😀

The more I read about conflict in the mid-east, the more I like to blame the Europeans and zealouts who disrupted at what appeared to be a peaceful co-existence of Jews and Muslims during the Ottoman era. Baaad Europeans, you need to be spanked.

Furthermore I blame Churchill for not having the balls to refuse Truman’s demands. And we knew he had plenty under his chin.