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  • in reply to: Why 3 different F-35 ? #2405060
    jessmo24
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    You must have some better photos of the thing that I do, then.. :confused:
    BTW, nothing has a bigger butt than F-35 itself…

    I find it amazing how many people on this forum can calculate RCS by a look on the aircraft.. This is a skill unseen anywhere else..

    No But if i hang a barn door from the bottom of the aircraft chances are its not stealthy. Like I said the underside of the T-50 looks like the surface of the star wars death star.

    in reply to: Why 3 different F-35 ? #2405062
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    Eagle :

    Yes , those are rough figures . What you didn ‘t take into account is the total distance made by both aircraft during this time .
    To give you an example , the ferry range (clean and empty , no weapons) of both aircraft on internal fuel only are :
    – Rafale : 2100km
    – F-35 : 2222km
    (Data from the manufacturers)
    We don ‘t know what speed and what altitude they used to compute the numbers .
    Anyway , it shows few things :
    -1) the F-35 is heavy
    -2) the F-35 is draggy
    -3) the F-35 is thirsty

    When I posted the fuel consumption of both aircraft , I knew that some posters would not understand the data :diablo:
    In fact , a Rafale flying at Mach 0.9 has a lower fuel consumption than a F-35 flying at Mach 0.7 . πŸ˜€
    If both aircraft fly at Mach 1.2 clean , the F-35 will use AB when the Rafale will supercruise in dry thrust :diablo:
    In this scenario , the fuel consumption of the F-35 will be enormous .

    Since both aircraft will not go to war clean , let ‘s say that the F-35 has its weapon bays full (4 Amraams) and the Rafale has also 4 Micas (no EFTs) .
    In this scenario , the Rafale will loose a bit of range (missile drag) but not by much , maybe 100 to 200km at most but it will still fly faster with the same fuel consumption than the F-35 .

    If both aircraft are heavily loaded , I believe that the Rafale has a better range then the F-35 . A Rafale with three 2000l fuel tanks , 2 Scalps and 4 Micas can fly 3600km , the Scalp also has a 400km range .
    Can the F-35 match this ? (Keep in mind that the total external load is 9.350kg)
    The answer is again NO . The external payload of the F-35s are :
    – A : 5.895kg
    – B : 4.990kg
    – C : 7.110kg

    Since 2 Storm shadows weight 2.700kg , only 3.200kg left for the EFTs and possible AtoA missiles . That ‘s not much …
    In fact , an heavily loaded F-35 will barely make 3000km .

    Cheers .

    That’s where you messing up right there Blue The F-35 will go to war clean.
    Its hits more targets clean With 8 SDB and 2 amraam than a Raf does DIRTY.
    Are you even reading whats posted?

    in reply to: Is the Russian Chinese honey moon over! #2405082
    jessmo24
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    Nationalistic flaming will cause this thread to be closed.

    Regards

    GA

    I’m sorry MOD I wasn’t using the contraction as a slur. But as a simple contraction of both ethnic and political realities. My apologies if I offended anyone. I throw my self on the mercy of the court.

    in reply to: Why 3 different F-35 ? #2405140
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    MY GOD man, what on earth are you TALKING about!? The T-50 has huge rivets Jutting from its skin! The T-50s underside looks like that space station from star wars! The T-50 Has a Bigger butt than a Sir mixalot video!
    Those are the things that make the T-50 Less stealthy.

    in reply to: Why 3 different F-35 ? #2405452
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    The point re the aasm and brimstone was in relation to the numbers carried.

    1. the brim-stone and the other missile have hardened air shelter penetration capability?

    2. I destroyed your argument about the F-35 having only a limited load and you bring up another silly argument saying that some other aircraft can carry a lot also. We all know that other aircraft can carry a lot of munitions that wasn’t the point. Your points was that the F-35 could not, and i destroyed that point.

    3. If your only argument is that The plane hasn’t done X,Y,Z yet then i could make the same assertions about the Raf. Has the AESA radar been fully and completely fielded yet? Hows can you compare the 2 fighters when 1 has a radar a generation older? Didnt you see the latest press release, at least a AESA is flying around on a F-35.

    4. Do the brimstone and AASm have the range of SBD? and also as I have noted before your criticizing U.S. systems when you rely on US for gps!

    5. Just say touche and move on! a man should know when hes beaten! you keep rolling out ridiculous arguments.

    in reply to: Why 3 different F-35 ? #2405625
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    in reply to: Why 3 different F-35 ? #2405628
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    Please go back and read the original starting point of this discussion before lumbering in with your unnecessary observations.
    Yes the F35 has both internal and external pylons, the point is that to get anywhere a decent load on the F35 you have to use the externals. Using the externals negates the passive stealth to a degree, the same passive stealth that supposedly gives the F35 such advantages over other platforms…at the same time the externals don’t give as much flexability as the other platforms already provide.
    Thus in conclusion you spend a chunk more cash to get a platform that doesn’t give you the flexability or the ability (in terms of munition type and carriage) of cheaper platforms.
    Clear now?

    You keep trying to make this a point.
    A F-35 with 8 SDB in the bay can Hit more CAS targets, or more SEAD,DEAD targets than a Raf with 6 laser guided bombs on pylons. Further more hit Hits them flying at Mach 1.6 to give the weapons more range. Further more they are fire and forget. When the IADs are down I can put a crap ton of SDB on the wing stations.

    http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/munitions/images/ssbrex-3-s.gif
    Even if you only put 2 SDB on a pylon that would still be 16 targets total.

    http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/munitions/images/smalbomb.jpg

    http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/munitions/images/sdb-dvd-433-03-s.jpg

    http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/munitions/images/sdb-dvd-433-05-s.jpg

    in reply to: Why 3 different F-35 ? #2405692
    jessmo24
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    Blue I’m going to keep asking until stop ignoring the question.

    *The Squall cannot fly farther than a F-35*

    * The Squall Scalp missiles can be carried by the F-35*

    * The F-35 has a 50 degree + aoa*

    * The Squall is has barely been fitted with an AESA and yet your comparing it to a fighter with AESA out of the Box and 360 degree IRST*

    * The Rafale will not have DIRCM before the F-35 does! If ever!
    http://attach.high-g.net/attachments/f_35_block_upgrades_152.jpg

    http://www.f-16.net/f-16_forum_viewtopic-t-12219-postdays-0-postorder-asc.html

    * F-35 will Not only have VLO But Meteor*

    * Cost just as Much as and F-35 but is inferior*

    * The French fighter still uses a Old fashioned HUD and its HMD is inferior to the F-35s*

    * The Armament Air-Sol Modulaire uses U.S. GPS which can be shut off in an international dispute The very weapons you TOUT rely on U.S. systems*

    * The Raf cant use small diameter bombs which is a large force Multiplier. remember that’s 8 in the main bay For F-35 with 16 On each wing station for a total 24 targets hit opposed to the Rafales 6.*

    * Has all aspect stealth. Please post a link fro a credible source if you don’t believe and tell us what part of the F-35 is not stealthy*

    Again, So what if the Raf can go mach 2 in after burner and waste gas?
    So what if the F-35 doesn’t have TV nozzles Its Newer, More survivable,FLIES farther, Hits more targets has more Fuel, More up to date sensors, A FUNCTIONING AESA . The F-35 is a generation farther than almost anything out there. You should tell Dassault that if they want to compete they should start with a 21st century RADAR 1st

    in reply to: Is the Russian Chinese honey moon over! #2405870
    jessmo24
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    Jesus this place is swarming with CHI-COM I.E. Chinese communist sympathizers.

    1. Your argument would have merit if the Chinese didn’t have a reputation a for stealing tech but unfortunately they do.

    2. How will they field a stealth fighter ( unless they steal the T-50 design) if they can barely build an engine?

    The WS-10A design consists of a 7-stage high pressure compressor, short annular combustor with air blast atomizer and air film cooling blade. It is the first production turbofan from China to feature single crystal nickel-based turbine blades, which allow higher intake temperatures and greater engine thrust. WS-10A has also been equipped with a FADEC (full authority digital engine control) system. An asymmetric thrust vector control (TVC) nozzle, similar to the TVC nozzle of the Russian AL-31F-TVN engine, has also been undergoing testing. Reported to be capable of deflecting thrust in any direction (360Β°) at an angle of Β±15Β°, it is intended to equip the WS-10A for installation on the Chengdu J-10, improving the aircraft’s short take-off/landing performance and manoeuvrability.

    On 2 April 2009, the director of AVIC (Aviation Industry Corporation of China) Lin Zuoming (ζž—ε·¦ιΈ£), stated that there were problems with the quality control procedures on the WS-10A production line, meaning the Taihang turbofan was still of unsatisfactory quality. He said that solving these problems would be a key step.[4] Later news reports indicate that these problems have since been resolved.

    Derivatives of the WS-10 are under development, such as a high-bypass turbofan variant for propelling large transport aircraft and marine gas turbine variant for propelling ships.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shenyang_WS-10

    3. see above China has a ongoing problem with quality control

    4. You think your saving face by saying that China didn’t really want the T-50
    But westerners are not stupid! You got carried away with stealing Russian tech and now that your off of the Russians TEETs we will see well you do having to build things from scratch.
    5. What difference does it make if you can build a Su-27 on your own. If you don’t get the know how to build future generations of weapons you will become stuck there. The Russians are building the T-50 the Americans F-35.
    it takes more than tech theft to become a super power it takes innovation.

    in reply to: Why 3 different F-35 ? #2405901
    jessmo24
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    Ill ask again blue!

    besides turning a little tighter WHAT can A RAF do that F-35 cannot?
    If your going to discuss Nuclear delivery, then you have the take into account that total U.S. nuclear forces make French forces look pathetic.

    in reply to: Why 3 different F-35 ? #2405970
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    So what your saying is the only thing the Raf does better than a F-35 is have the advantage of being older and more out dated LOL.
    wow so a clean Raf with no tanks has 18K lbs of fuel?
    The U.S. F-35 will also carry the scalp you do realize this right?
    In addition to to jassow jdam SDB meteor and the entire host of U.S. missiles.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Storm_Shadow

    in reply to: Is the Russian Chinese honey moon over! #2406301
    jessmo24
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    what’s the news here??? it happened before again and again. Russia sells a fighter to China then China produces indigenous model. After couple more years it sells these planes for a fraction of the price tag of original to really poor countries. Who thought it will be different for Su-27 πŸ™‚ We might soon see a “navalized” J-11 too.

    However, I agree nowadays it is a little bit different since China has gained substantial technological know-how and economical resources. I don’t think we will see China buying any weapons from another country in big sums. They can produce almost every equipment an army needs.

    I think the news is that even though the Chinese have sucessfully stolen tech, this will bite them in the future. they have a knack for knock offs but little innovation. i dont see the T-50 in there future.

    in reply to: Why 3 different F-35 ? #2406311
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    Code 1 magazine and globalsecurity are not reliable sources?

    I suppose if reputable sources arnt good enough there is no reason for this discussion going further? you asked for links I gave you links.

    in reply to: Why 3 different F-35 ? #2406316
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    GS.org also calls the F-35 all aspect

    Im having trouble one this mac http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/aircraft/f-35.htm

    in reply to: Why 3 different F-35 ? #2406320
    jessmo24
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    Engine Nozzle
    The F-35 is powered by a single Pratt & Whitney F135 engine that produces approximately 40,000 pounds of thrust in afterburner. The thrust makes the Lightning II the most powerful single-engine fighter ever built. To reduce cost, the nozzles of engines flown on the first aircraft do not have the low-observable characteristics that will be found on engines for subsequent aircraft. The geometry of the swiveling nozzle associated with the short takeoff/vertical landing version requires slightly shortened tail feathers.

    http://www.codeonemagazine.com/archives/2006/articles/oct_06/f35_detail/index.html

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