Yet with all the knowledge gained from the loss of Titanic and subsequent revisions, the Brittanic still managed to go down as they left all the portholes open…
On any other Sunday, I’d have joined you in an effort to repel boarders as you head south; but I’m at Coventry this Sunday for the fly in. Duxford is one of the places on my list of “places I need to go” having never actually visited for one reason or another.
Regards,
Ric
Its the same thing that stops us with the Shackleton; the fact that CAA won’t grant an extension on an aircrafts life beyond that specified by the manufacturer.
As a result, come what may, eventually it will run out of hours. The four years or two display seasons is probably an estimate to how long that will take to use.
Like a Griffon maybe? 😀
Thanks for all the compliments! Glad you guys like it. It means a lot to us all, and makes the aches and pains worth it. Stripping and sanding all that way is like having a good work out. I was thankful for the power steering my car has on the way home, after hefting the sander about all day!
To answer some questions;
We all know that putting WR963 back to true MR condition is almost impossible. As such, we have accepted the fact that we are only representing what has gone before…and so far doing quite well at it.
The plan is, and always will be, to make her as accessible as she can be to the public and nothing we do is to interfere with that. So overall she’s staying AEW – we’re leaving the exhaust pipes on, even though they don’t match the colour scheme. The various aerials and AEW lumps and bumps are staying too.
As for the exhaust soot… we’ll see what happens when she’s running again. Now we have a larger number of people working on her a scheduled maintenance and cleaning regime can be put in place.
On the other hand if the pipes keep the exhaust stains away, my father (who’s organising the paint side of things) has suggested we fake exhaust stains using airbrushed paint. I know ‘weathering’ has appeared on a few aircraft recently, but I’m not sure I like the idea.
In regards to the perspex: we have a number of replacement glazing panels, it’s just a matter of figuring out which ones we have and which ones we don’t. For the ones we don’t have, we’re going to test a few of the products out there that advertise the removal of the fogging caused by UV. Depending on how bad it is, it may have only attacked the top layers – but if you look at the corner panels below the windscreens, I think they’re beyond help!
Regards,
Rich
More news from us!
I know its been a couple of weeks, rather than the usual one, but the paint preparation is taking so much time, I’ve had to cut back a little to make these updates worth reading! Also the difference between photos is a lot more noticable.
Today (18th Sept).
Once again the weather scuppered us, but only in the late afternoon. we didn’t get as much done as we wanted to; but still got quite a way.
First job was to get the boat tail cowling on No 4 back up out of the way. Rob insisted on lending a hand by pointing it out so you guys can’t miss it.

Then he and our new crew member Gary set about the Port wing upper surface with the seconite and dope. They managed top get quite a bit done, so soon we’ll be getting the medium sea grey on that wing too, so we have a matching pair!

They had to halt briefly as the pipe manufacturers arrived today to make the first set of hoses for the pre-oiling system. I would have taken a photo, but I didn’t really want to interupt them. I couldn’t get a picture of the hoses either, as they’ve been taken away as a pattern to make a full set for each engine.
The main effort today was getting the nose section of the fuselage wearing its first coat of white paint. This involved a whole load of sanding which showed up some of the old 8 sqn markings again. As a result I have to report that the name she carried “ERMINTRUDE” is gone forever (unless I get carried away with the masking tape again when the boss isn’t looking.. :rolleyes: )
Coventry Airport fly-in is next weekend so we really were wanting ‘963 to look a little more presentable for the occasion. I’m glad to say we managed to pull it off. Judge for yourselves.. (bear in mind this is only the first coat, so I know there’s some bleed through of the grey.)



So there you go… we have a very tired but happy crew of painters and the beginnings of a smart looking old aeroplane.
If you can’t wait the 14 days for the next update, come to the fly in on the 26th and see WR963 and loads of other classics in person. The event is in aid of the charity “Help for Heroes” and you can find more info here:
http://www.flyincoventryairport.com
Regards,
Rich
My copy of his book on the Avro Lancaster is probably one of the most read books I have. Sad to hear that he’s gone.
On any number of shipments out of the Revell-Monogram factory?
I had heard that Coventry’s Nimrod had been visited again, one of our visitors to the Shackleton mentioned it so I’m guessing its noticeable.. I didn’t get chance to get away and have a look for myself. Maybe one of our Classic Flight forum members know more?
Rich
What are they taking off?
The way things are going, any new Nimrods are going to be mostly made up of the old fleet.
Rich
I was two weeks into my job with the military. I got a text message about a plane hitting a building in New York, then a minute later the phone system switchboard lit up like a Christmas tree and it all went mad from there.
After things had calmed down somewhat we opened the mess and got the TV on, watched the footage of the first building. When the second plane hit none of us reacted to start with, we thought it was a replay of the first.
I always wondered, why, with all the news helicopter up there to start with (before the lockdown) why did nobody try to evacuate anybody off the roof? Even just a few lives saved would have been better than none.
I was two weeks into my job with the military. I got a text message about a plane hitting a building in New York, then a minute later the phone system switchboard lit up like a Christmas tree and it all went mad from there.
After things had calmed down somewhat we opened the mess and got the TV on, watched the footage of the first building. When the second plane hit none of us reacted to start with, we thought it was a replay of the first.
I always wondered, why, with all the news helicopter up there to start with (before the lockdown) why did nobody try to evacuate anybody off the roof? Even just a few lives saved would have been better than none.
the main one being wether jets of that complexity should be in private operators hands !!
We’ve covered this already. Read further up the page will you? There’s no point in doing it again.
This is getting personal.
Sorry to be a pain, but may I ask how so?
I realise I’ve been a bit searching in my questions and answers towards tornado64, but I don’t believe I’ve gone anywhere near rules 5 or 11 of the code of conduct. I don’t feel as he’s done the same either.
The points tornado64 keeps bringing up over safety are relevant for SA as well as the UK… I just want to know how he arrived at them; which he seems reluctant to explain to us.
I realise it’s thread drift… but apart from saluting Thunder City’s achievements there’s not much more can be said. The ground runners, and talk are the only way we’re going to be sure to keep thinking about the Lightning for a while. Surely thats a good thing?
I’d love to know off someone what the official line is as to why a Lightning can’t fly over here. Can anybody point me at reference material? I’m intrigued, and dosed on caffeine, so could use some reading.
Regards,
Rich
and herein lies the problem you’ll never get round
” i must have my impressive toy doing what it was dasigned for and s***w everyone else !!
there but for the grace of god it din’t hit a shopping centre or a school during a weekday or even the crowdline out of control !!
the idea of safty is to minimise risk not heighten it !!
if you actualy concentrated on facts rather than your enthusiastic sefishness
the reality is they are aircraft that should only be in millitary hands
i don’t even list all jets as in the same category
but the shear reason this aircraft is so loved and so impressive is the reason it will never fly here again no matter how much we bit** and complain
it is a twin engined afterburnered ballistic missile wich our country has the sense to keep in its correct place !!!
For pete’s sake…
Listen up. Nobody cares how YOU classify aircraft. The CAA in each country do that, and THEY make the decision on safety. Why on earth shouldn’t an aircraft do what it was designed for?
If your idea of safety is to ground everything then you are retarded. That’s the kind of idiotic overzealous attitude that prevents teh UK from being anything but a shadow of its former self.
Me concentrate on facts? I’ve quoted you facts. I’ve quoted you references. You don’t listen, or seem incapable of taking it in. You’re also ignoring other people giving you facts and information.
Come up with some proper facts youself. All we’ve had are opinions from you, and weird ones at that. You’re getting boring now.