this comment shows you know asolutely nothing about engineering procedures !!

engineering was actualy very technical then ( technology like ultrasound was well under use by then !! )

the trouble is people with no engineering background do not apreciate the quantum leep made from the forties to the late 50’s

sorry but even the smallest fault can equal heaps of trouble and very fast !!

There’s little in the way of computers onboard. In todays environment, its SIMPLE.

It may be a complex aircraft, but let me define it for you: complex aircraft means anything with powered flying controls, automatic stabilisation systems, its all detailed in BCAR, Section A, Chapter A8 -20. I can’t be arsed to type it from my copy, or find the link for you.

The smallest thing can do for any aircarft large or small. Thats why they fall out the sky with regularity.

As for my background, don’t assume… unless you have my CV to hand. You don’t know me at all.

they are too complex and too high a performance machine to be in private hands

1 when in raf service they were supported by large teams of raf technicians and the factory plus government funding wich in the cold war era was a bottomless pocket !!

not by a small group of idividuals giving cabbies !! ( no matter how skilled you cannot in all seriousness believe a backyard garage can give the same exacting and day to day knoledge standards of a specialist opperating base that used them from new !!

2 it was not without reason our own caa grounded them to stop accidents as they were considdered too hot a machine in private hands and there were concerns about maintainance !!

3 and tragic as it was do we realy need another ramstien to realise they are not suitable aircraft for private hands ( as mentioned it was considdered leathal by regular lightning pilots !! )

fantastic aircraft and no doubt operated to the best of the companys abilitys maybe nursed and maybe looked superb inside and out

but there are so many intricate factory tollerances , stress fatigues , correct metal hardnesses ( for every part !! )

that in all reality you cannot say that all the orriginal knowledge is there for a half cetury old high tech aircraft

i have worked in aerospace engineering specificaly in metal heat treatment

so it could ( not saying it is !! ) but could even be one component slightly off spec

the only way of knowing what has happened without pointing fingers is wait to see what the proffesionals report says when it is finnished !!

If we believe your various posts, you’ve been everywhere and done everything. Yet you have little to offer other than an insulting outlook by calling organisations that look after these machines a “backyard garage”. In the same post you imply materials might have been wrong.

What makes you the judge of whether Lightnings are too complex?

Have you actually asked the CAA why they can’t fly in this country, or are you just repeating the usual tripe that goes around?

I doubt it.

Put bluntly, you’re littl better than a troll. Both you and I know nothing of Thunder City’s operations, or of the state of their aircraft.

I’m not waiting for a report. I’m not wanting to blame anybody. An aircraft crashed, and a man died, that’s all I need to know. The experts and his family need to know why, not me.

Compared against modern stuff, a Lightning is a simple toy. A versatile and fast one, but nothing more. It’s 1950’s technology. Money might be an issue (which is probably one of the many reasons behind Thunder City closing) but where do you think all those highly trained ground crews went when they left the RAF? They didn’t pack them away in a box.

They became civilians. So the original knowledge is there to operate it.

Smarts a tad more if you use frozen oranges. Don’t try it at home, kids!

I agree but thin people burn much more effiiciently don’t you think? 🙂

Regards,

kev35

We haven’t actually tried it up here yet! I’ll get back to you after the field tests, see whether my results match yours.

Then we can put it to the government as a proposal and move on to the next stage, which is solving the world food shortage, housing problem, benefits culture and overcrowding – by eating the poor.

Regards,

Rich

No, I’m no medical expert. Sounds like you have a valid reason for carrying the weight though.

My problem is the delusional fatties. The ones that claim its a gland problem, or they’re big boned; then get a government payout for being disabled… all due to that over developed pie-eating habit.

I’m fairly sure we are missing a trick by not considering using them as an alternative fuel source…. it would help out the pensioners no end over winter at virtually no cost to the tax-payer.

:p

We have sunshine, the BBQ’s going really well. Awesome stuff.

My last one was during a lightning storm in France. Did we stop? No way..

😀

I’m thinking its a bit unfair to pick on the kiddies, even if they are fat*. Lack of a proper diet can usually be laid at the parents door.

However… morbidly obese types in later life that don’t look after themselves, and insist it’s not their fault they’re fat are legitimate targets.

Rich

(* if they’re ginger, there’s an exemption to this.)

Seeing the chef just light the fire for the works summer barbeque. Probably not the weather for it, but we’re going to have it anyway…