The MR1 started life with two different variants of Griffon which weren’t interchangeable, 57 and 57A. I’m wondering if the 1A is post modification ‘designation’ when the Griffon 57A was used across the board allowing an engine to be fitted to any position on the aircraft, rather than specifically inboard or outboard.
I think your theory may be proved right after a look in the archive – as if the answer’s anywhere its in there somewhere.
While looking through for other things I’ve seen Lincoln GR.Mk.1, which became Shackleton GR.Mk.1, and 1A rings a bell; but I’ve not come across any references 2C (though with the amount of drawings I’m not discounting it yet!). Also the MR.Mk.3 is split into two variants – MR.Mk.3 RAF and SAAF respectively and they are marked as such on the drawings.
Regards,
Rich
Fantastic to see the rescue efforts, good luck with it! I have a soft spot for the Argosy and would love to see one fly again.
It was the helicopters that did it. One look and “ZZZZ”… 😀
Hi all,
Just a quick update to say that we will be running up WR963’s engines on Saturday 15th August, with engine start commencing at 2pm. The next one after this will be a members only event on 13 September for the VTTS, so if you can’t go without your Griffon fix those are your dates.
Howard – I’ve just seen your post, I missed it as we posted more or less at the same time. It was a pleasure to have a chat and great to make Newark Air Museum my little boy’s first aeroplane experience! He seemed in a good mood the rest of the day, so hopefully thats a good indication of things to come. 🙂
Kind regards,
Rich
Adrian – We’re not sure we’ll keep the white scheme, as it doesn’t match any of the equipment the aircraft is fitted with and was only ever representative. The current long term plan is to put her in 205 Sqn colours, which will match the MR2 Phase 3 configuration. We looked at fitting the turret but the amount of extra work involved to the airframe was too involved.
Tim – That particular drawing is fairly easy to lay our hands on.
Just wondering why you are converting her back to MR2 spec now, rather than during her restoration to flight. Won’t that involve having to remove the components you have just fitted ?.
Hope you guy’s achieve your goal to get her back in the air.
Bob T.
Hi Bob,
Some but not all will have to get removed again. We’re doing the conversion now as we can get everything built and in place and make sure it all fits and works, and some of the more major bits which impact on airworthiness are getting inspected and signed off properly as we go.
Regards,
Rich
I’m plodding along with my scale drawings. I’ve been working at them for a few weeks now and thanks to the guys at Coventry and the folks at Airfix, I think the results look encouraging.
Don’t suppose anyone has (or has seen) a drawing of the Mk.3 nose wheel and leg? It’s surprisingly difficult to get the shape of these components right, even though they look remarkably simple.
Like this maybe?

Anyone have any thoughts on the Phase 1, 2 and 3 modifications? Obviously the Mk.3 Phase 3 is clearly a very different machine with Vipers installed, but I can’t see any obvious changes to other versions other than variations in engine exhausts and aerial fits.
Mid upper turret removal due to the interior changes, and on the Phase 3 the flares on the starboard side of the fueslage changed configuration into one long line of four, rather than a 2×2 block. The only real external changes are the various lumps and bumps for heater intakes (new fuselage ones, and change of position for the nose one from high up on the starboard side to just in front of the bomb bay), exhaust vents (galley and radio) and aerials in various places.
Regards,
Rich
It would be no good having 558 at Coventry she won’t fit into any of the hangers there, the Shack is a tight squeeze but a Vulcans fin won’t go in.
She will, though only in the same place as we put WR963 for work, which is the west end of Hangar 7.
A Shackleton is a tight squeeze due to the 120ft wingspan the Vulcan would have an extra 9 ft of clearance. As for height of the fin being a problem, the DC6 is taller at 28ft 5in against the Vulcan’s 27ft 1in, and its why there’s a special roller shutter door above the normal door height. We never have to worry about it as WR963 is a relatively short 17ft 6in against her long legged younger sister.
My experience with HLF – as a newbie to the whole process and trying to echo the Vulcan’s funding success on a smaller scale, they couldn’t have been more helpful.
Regards,
Rich
August 15th! There should be a short run up during the day to give us chance to find and fix any snags, and a later one for the ‘Exhaust flames at sunset’. I’m still awaiting timings for the later one as I’ve not heard anything yet.
Regards,
Rich
None as yet. We’ll still keep our eyes open as if they’re found, we need to know why they were taken, and by who. We have a few leads on other sets of blades (which we’re following up) so we might be able to replace them.
Not ideal but not as much of a hurdle as we initially thought. Morale is still pretty high on the team.
Regards,
Rich
So long as she’s one spec or the other we don’t have a problem, the difficulty has always been in the ‘hybrid’ created from work done years ago, which is why we registered WR963 with the CAA as an Avro Shackleton MR Mk 2, rather than AEW Mk 2.
The AEW2 has a few undesirable flying characteristics against the MR2, and the MR2 also operates at a lighter weight which is beneficial in terms of fatigue life – so we chose to continue down that path rather than try and find parts to put the AEW2 configuration back together. The choice was made easier when we started to discover how much was left out there to carry the conversion out; particularly after the radome got scrapped.
Regards,
Rich
It will, though its causing a few more headaches than we would like!
Wings43 – We plan to at some point soon. We had a brake failure last year and until we get it sorted any activities like that have been extremely limited as its difficult to maintain brake pressure. Its been difficult to get parts, manpower, jacks and space all available at the same time but we’re hoping to resume taxying within the next month or so.
Hi all,
This Saturday saw us get stuck in on WR963 removing some of the AEW2 components to start putting MR2 components back in, as we’re finally at a stage where we have enough to be able to carry out a large proportion of the work. It was thought that some of the removal of parts would be fairly easy but it turns out that despite Airborne Early Warning only being a temporary use of the aircraft, it was very well put together, adhering to the British tradition of “Why use one bolt when nineteen will do..”
As for making sure the retrofit is genuine its surprising what parts crop up through eBay finds or trades, but the good news is there’s plenty out there that will allow us to do the job properly. As well as several new acquisitions over the last couple of years, we’ve requested the return of some long term loan items, so watch this space for more interesting bits of gubbins showing up.
Starting at the front; the oxygen crates in the nose were depressurised and removal started by Mark and Curtis. One side is out the other remains to be done, allowing access all around the area for fitting of something a bit more in keeping with a gunners position! Two of the bottles will be making their way back into the leading edge of the wing and the rest will probably be disposed of as the MR2 carried its oxygen in a bomb bay mounted crate as and when it was required.



One recent acquisition was a rather battered but recoverable sonobouy plotting table. I arranged to collect it early on the Saturday morning, delivering it to Coventy mid morning. It had the frame removed and is now safely stored inside WR963 though to fit it will require some more component removal over the next few weeks. Its missing a few parts such as the lighthouses and the GPI, but we’ll find those in time.

The low voltage power pack/radio rack in the beam seemed to be fitted with more bolts than the spar booms but was eventually removed, it is stored under the aircraft while we raid it of fixtures and fittings – in particular anti vibration mounts which will be used to fit the plotting table mentioned above. The racking is redundant in our case and will be replaced with flare and photoflash stroage, and also we’ll be fitting some ASV parts and hydraulic rams in the beam so we need all the room we can get.




We traced the wiring through for the removed AN/APS20 and while there’s more to finish up (wiring removal and excess pipework for the most part) we’ve taken the first small steps to putting our aircraft back to an MR2; and it will no doubt surprise a few people how much we get done. Most of it is easy to get to, as shown under the bunks here.

We’ve also started having a look at the bomb bay jacks, but to refit them up at the front will require removing a few packing pieces up at the front end that were put there to space out the bomb bay floor longerons once the mount was removed.
So there you have an idea of whats coming over the next few weeks. In amongst this we have a few engine run coming up, one on August 15th (possibly an evening run) and then again for the ‘Farewell To the Sky’ Vulcan event in September.
Photo credit for this week’s update – Gareth R Morgan.
Regards,
Rich