There was an e-petition done about this years ago.
The reply –
“New harmonised EU rules covering aircraft operations, known as “EU-Ops”, require aircraft to hold a standard European Certificate of Airworthiness, but operators of historic aircraft are still able to undertake commercial passenger flights if they receive an exemption from the UK Civil Aviation Authority (CAA) from the requirement. To date no DC3 exemption application has been received by the CAA.”
Rumour has it the hangars at Coventry will be flattened and tHe road through to baginton closed to build a new business park.
Its not rumour, its all found in the scoping document for the planning application.
You can view some of it online, but there’s a map of the proposed development in Baginton Post Office that shows it better. Not all the hangars are going though one of the smaller ones isn’t on the new plan, and Rowley Road isn’t getting closed. I understand from talking to some of the villagers that from the rugby club onwards it is to be made restricted access. It shouldn’t affect MAM at that.
Shackleton WR963 is staying at Coventry. Whether or not it will be in her current position is anyone’s guess. I’m told the Nimrod is also staying, as is the DC6 Diner (G-SIXC).
Regards,
Rich
Clearly i have ruffled a few feathers, and i certainly dont want to do that, and i have the utmost respect for the Shackleton team, i spent a whole winter tarting up the finer details on the Neptune at Cosford many years ago and my knees and finger joints have never been the same, far from belittling the work done by these teams i was merely pointing out that disjointing the collection and leaving the Shack as possibly a stand alone exhibit would surely be demoralising?
I understand where you’re coming from, but in all honesty it wouldn’t demoralise us. We are proud to work on the Shack and keep her running as part of Airbase’s attraction, but if we can’t follow where CAT/Airbase goes, then we will carry on where we are. Several other groups do sterling work with a single aircraft and no museum, our friends at Wellesbourne with their Vulcan being a perfect example.
I would like to see the collection stay at Coventry – purely as it is convenient for me in terms of distance – but that is all. Its a selfish point of view. We’re on an island.. there’s nowhere on it you can’t get to in a day if you put your mind to it. Its not the end of the world (even geographically.. :p )
If more visitors and revenue can be found by moving there, then so be it. I’d rather see the Classic Aircraft Trust making a killing and putting some of the long dormant types currently found on site (Twin Pin, Canberra) back in the air, rather than existing on a shoestring from the few visitors that are savvy enough to find Airbase.
As for selling the aircraft off, the Classic Aircraft Trust was formed precisely to stop that – another reason why there must have been a lot of thought put into the move. I don’t think many aircraft will get left behind. I’m not worried that the plans aren’t in public view – how many organisations have their business plans laid out for all to see?
The only thing I am really struggling to follow is why people are thinking stopping supporting CAT via the Classic Flight Club. Correct me if I’m wrong, but you still get your magazine, updates, get to see the aircraft at airshows and get certain discounts? There’s been no mention that is going to stop, right?
The idea of removing subscriptions to CF Club due to the fact you don’t like how far away the aircraft are based seems a bit childish. Keep supporting them and the aircraft will come to you via airshows.
My support for them will continue however I can and wherever they happen to go.
Rich
Nostalgair – here’s a little education for you.
Some (if not all) of your recent comments make a mockery of a lot of hard work done by the staff and volunteers at Coventry.
If these people want to make some money they need to be less insular in their marketing, when they have an open day dont just invite the local labour councillor, some big wig from the mayors office and a Lady Godiva lookey likey!
Insular marketing? You’ll find leaflets for Airbase in the tourist information offices locally and a number of other places. Some even in other air museums.
Airbase opened properly on April 22 2011, with the Lord Mayor of Coventry in attendance. Covered in the newspapers, covered in the aviation press, and on the local TV news.
Later the same year, the Mayor was back again – this time for the dedication of our Shackleton. Every major milestone achieved in the last 18 months has been covered, and covered well.
There has been roughly one event a month, as it was figured out fairly quickly that the place is event driven. The night runs, and the more recent open cockpit day, and a couple of car shows have shown this.
Invite local schools,take them round the aircraft, give them a cardboard model of a twin pin, fill them up with hot dogs and thrust a family discount pass into their clammy palms,
Local schools? We had the week long Imagineering, and the heritage open days. You can get family tickets. For a while there was reduced entry if you came back more than once in a certain period.
that way ill guarantee within a fortnight theyll be back with the clan, daddys credit card to spend in the museum shop and trusting the british climate youll make a killing on the Airbase brollies!
You would lose your guarantee. While there’s always something different Airbase is difficult to get to. Most of the uninformed people looking for an air museum get as far as Rowley Road, and stop when they spot Midland, unless they’re booked in for a pleasure flight. The number of times I’ve directed people by phone (up to and including this weekend just gone) would boggle the mind.
The difficulty of access to Airbase where it stands would be compounded by the planned developments around the edges of the site – which are to include the closure of entry into Baginton off Rowley Road or Bubbenhall Road, and the closure of the airport’s West Gate.
Moving a collection like this is lunacy.
Please. Share your vast experience of doing such a thing. Then maybe I’ll believe its lunacy. Do you honestly believe this is a decision to be taken lightly?
the grass is never greener on the otherside, and has anyone thought what effect the salt laden cornish air will have on the fleet?i doubt it,
A Shackleton and Nimrod that did 40 years maritime work, DC3’s that do pollution control, and don’t forget at one point RVL used to be on site who had a Coastguard contract. I’m sure the idea of salt air has never once crossed anybody’s mind.
It strikes me theres been some palm stroking here, and what of what they leave behind?
If you truly think bribery is involved you’re an idiot.
im sure the Shackleton lads will soon tire of opening up on a drizzly sunday morning to answer questions from a host of chile bearing grandads a long suffering wife and the local boy scout group!
I’ve opened and worked on ‘963 in rain, wind, snow, sun, and ice – weekly – for the past three years. I will quit the task when I’m stone cold dead and not before. I don’t care who it is that wants to look at our Shack, I’m just happy to let them.
Most if not all of my little team are of the same mind. Please don’t presume to speak for us.
what they have at coventry is a golden nugget which needs brushing off and giving a good polish!
No matter how many jewels there are in the collection, polish doesn’t make more visitors.
I’m keeping an open mind about the whole thing until I know a bit more about it.
Rich
We’re planning on Shackleton WR963 staying at Coventry, which is why she isn’t mentioned in the list of aircraft due to move.
Regards
Rich
I have just been trying to figure out the copper tag. It reminds me much of the weight tags fixed to old coal sacks – though I doubt the Bedouin have many coal deliveries! It is also marked Cad Cu (Copper Cadmium?) and a weight that looks to be 127 lbs. An odd thing to be with a flier or the P40. One assumes that it must have been something personal to the pilot (if associated at all with the P40 or the pilot) as it bears no AM stores reference. I realise this was a US built a/c, but did a UK based manufacturer supply parts to Curtis? If not, and if it is an AM piece of kit fitted to the P40, then wouldn’t it have an AM stores reference? Certainly a curious mystery.
So you have something circular, of a metal that is easy to keep relatively shiny, and with a hole in the centre.
Possibly a makeshift Heliograph?
Rich
Well done the ARID team. One more missing pilot found.
16 June
Working outdoors is a pain in wet weather. Working outdoors, in the rain, while attempting to squeeze into tiny spaces with a big hammer and the tools to remove split pins is slightly worse.
Beggars can’t be choosers though.. and we have a tailwheel that desperately need fixing. Armed with the AP, it fell to me to start pulling the thing apart.
First up was to get the towbar off. This must have been off twice in the last couple of years, and it has been painted since which added to its reluctance. Playing with the heights of the jockey wheels and threatening it with no small amount of violence saw it removed.

Its not in that bad condition really, with all the jockey wheels working as they should and the shock absorber still freely travelling. Maintenance of ground equipment always pays off, especially when your kit lives outdoors.
Now there was slightly more room to work in the undercarraige bay than there was before. Only very slightly, and with the door mechanism in place I couldn’t really get at the leg itself. It took me an hour to persuade the pins out of the door actuating arms without damaging things, so I could remove the arms from the torque tube on the undercarraige leg. We have to be careful as we don’t know how much of this we can get as replacements.

The gear doors were then secured open using a bungee cord. The mechanism locks the doors by going over centre so attaching the bungee in the right position holds them there.

With a few more parts out the way, here’s another look at the crack. Cleaning and use of a torch showed it had spread behind and around the mounting for the retract jack. During a few strong gusts of wind I swear I felt it spread.. 😮

Here’s the view from above.

The centering mechanism is disconnected, as is the microswitch. There are just the 8 main bearing block bolts, and the retract jack to remove when we’re ready to remove it. As soon as we have a proven good replacement unit, WR963 will be on jacks and off limits for public access while its changed. Hopefully it shouldn’t be more than a couple of weeks time.
Inside WR963 our electrical man has been sorting out some intercom issues. We had some weird screaming feedback during one of the last runs, and this time it really wasn’t one of us… it was traced to a faulty lead in the pilots position, and a couple of headsets going bad. The leads always tend to get a hard life, as visitors often snag them getting in and out the seats, and the leads are pretty delicate. Good ones are getting harder to find too.
We have a few more new window panels awaiting fitment, but until this drought goes away and we get some summer sun they’re going to have to wait a while!
More fun next week….
Regards
Rich
There is a shot kicking around of some work being done to the centre section of WR963 during some major work at Lossiemouth. I’ll try and find it and get it scanned.
Regards,
Rich
The crack on WR963 is typical, I know WL795 at St Mawgan has a similar issue. It usually starts around the bolt hole and works up towards where the retract jack attaches. There is an SI listed about this item, (I should have checked..)
Dye penetrant should show any cracking.
Regards,
Rich
Bruce,
We have one spare bare casting, its going away to be crack tested. Are the ones you have new old stock legs, or used?
Regards,
Rich
Well VP293 was a hit at Dawlish, our guys reckon there must have been 400 people through her.
Next up is Wellesbourne…
Rich
More from the archives. I came across these three photo’s of WL793 being re-sparred at HSA Bitteswell.



It shows quite well what a task and a half it would be to do this again.
Rich
Good luck guys.
I can’t believe the Inspector dismissed the appeal – from the tone of his report it seemed like it was going to be a positive decision. To see the word dismissed at the top was surprising.
Does anybody know how easily a Toucan or Varsity break down for transport? You would think this will have a huge bearing on whether they move off site as anything other than scrap.
Rich