richw_82I’ve just stumbled on this, after looking around for the “Eagle” transporters from Space 1999.
richw_82I’ve just stumbled on this, after looking around for the “Eagle” transporters from Space 1999.
richw_82“The Phoenix” from Star Trek: First Contact.
As test flights go; riding a converted missile faster than anybody has done before, while having Steppenwolf’s “Magic Carpet Ride” blasting out of the speakers is the height of cool.
richw_82“The Phoenix” from Star Trek: First Contact.
As test flights go; riding a converted missile faster than anybody has done before, while having Steppenwolf’s “Magic Carpet Ride” blasting out of the speakers is the height of cool.
richw_82Woweee… thats a lot of rain! 😮
richw_82Ric,
Just because it was done another way in the past doesn’t mean it should be done now. I fully respect the right of a person to eat halal or kosher meat. Just as I respect the right of someone to ask for a minted lamb pasty.
If you don’t really care about how the meat gets on your plate as long as it tastes OK, again that is fine. I prefer to consider the welfare of what I eat. It actually tastes better.
What really irks me about this is the underhand way that Waitrose, who make big claims about ensuring the welfare of the animals used in their products, and the other big chains, have done this.Quite why 97% of the UK population should be given no information about this makes a mockery of the supposed open labelling that stores said they would introduce. They tell us how much salt, sugar, fat is in our food but don’t want to let us know how the animal was slaughtered?
Not caring about animal welfare is why people are still dying from CJD – the farming practices which introduced BSE to UK herds was never really questioned. Feeding animals other infected animals was accepted as the norm. I know it is not quite the same, but that lack of “transparency” in the animal feed industry and the acceptance of old practices led to the BSE/CJD problem.
If UK supermarkets want to sell halal meat, fine. I often see products on shelves with a Kosher label on them. And I’m sure a muslim shopping in Tesco or Waitrose would feel more reassured he isn’t doing something hamam, if these stores actually labelled meat that was halal. His other choice would be to go to a halal butcher.
I’m just asking for a level playing field.Sorry for the thread creep…
I agree on most of this.. if people want to know how their food is killed, then the information should be provided.
I understand and agree on the need for welfare for animals and all the problems regarding CJD.
However, if you are telling me that one method of death is different to another method of death and you can taste the difference, you and I will have to disagree on that.
There is no such thing as “humane”, regardless of how the deed is done. It is still killing the dumb animal, you just make yourself feel better about eating it.
Regards,
Ric
richw_82Ric,
Just because it was done another way in the past doesn’t mean it should be done now. I fully respect the right of a person to eat halal or kosher meat. Just as I respect the right of someone to ask for a minted lamb pasty.
If you don’t really care about how the meat gets on your plate as long as it tastes OK, again that is fine. I prefer to consider the welfare of what I eat. It actually tastes better.
What really irks me about this is the underhand way that Waitrose, who make big claims about ensuring the welfare of the animals used in their products, and the other big chains, have done this.Quite why 97% of the UK population should be given no information about this makes a mockery of the supposed open labelling that stores said they would introduce. They tell us how much salt, sugar, fat is in our food but don’t want to let us know how the animal was slaughtered?
Not caring about animal welfare is why people are still dying from CJD – the farming practices which introduced BSE to UK herds was never really questioned. Feeding animals other infected animals was accepted as the norm. I know it is not quite the same, but that lack of “transparency” in the animal feed industry and the acceptance of old practices led to the BSE/CJD problem.
If UK supermarkets want to sell halal meat, fine. I often see products on shelves with a Kosher label on them. And I’m sure a muslim shopping in Tesco or Waitrose would feel more reassured he isn’t doing something hamam, if these stores actually labelled meat that was halal. His other choice would be to go to a halal butcher.
I’m just asking for a level playing field.Sorry for the thread creep…
I agree on most of this.. if people want to know how their food is killed, then the information should be provided.
I understand and agree on the need for welfare for animals and all the problems regarding CJD.
However, if you are telling me that one method of death is different to another method of death and you can taste the difference, you and I will have to disagree on that.
There is no such thing as “humane”, regardless of how the deed is done. It is still killing the dumb animal, you just make yourself feel better about eating it.
Regards,
Ric
richw_82Mind you, we wouldn’t have the problem of halal lamb being secretly sold to the UK buyer as organic Duchy Originals if he had…..
Guess it’s a pork only meat diet from now on…….:mad:
I can’t understand people getting upset about this. Before the invention of the bolt gun, and various other so-called humane devices; how exactly were animals slaughtered?
I can understand people getting annoyed that they’re not told, so they don’t have a choice, but how its done (to me at least) is irrelevant. Its meat – so I will eat it.
Regards,
Ric
richw_82Mind you, we wouldn’t have the problem of halal lamb being secretly sold to the UK buyer as organic Duchy Originals if he had…..
Guess it’s a pork only meat diet from now on…….:mad:
I can’t understand people getting upset about this. Before the invention of the bolt gun, and various other so-called humane devices; how exactly were animals slaughtered?
I can understand people getting annoyed that they’re not told, so they don’t have a choice, but how its done (to me at least) is irrelevant. Its meat – so I will eat it.
Regards,
Ric
richw_82My Jag’s engine expiring rather dramatically on the way home from work on the Shackleton. To say my day has taken a downwards turn would be rather accurate.
richw_82My Jag’s engine expiring rather dramatically on the way home from work on the Shackleton. To say my day has taken a downwards turn would be rather accurate.
richw_82By day he’s a mild mannered aerospace engineer. By night he’s..
..nobody knows; as he seems to have done everything. :rolleyes:
Tornado64, what are you qualifications in this field. Share your experience please as you’re getting too carried away with this for it to be just a passing interest?
I’d like to know how you can just dismiss Kev’s experiences, while we have to try and accept yours at face value as being far and away more extreme.
You can talk about drug culture all you want, but being a junkie doesn’t automatically mean you’re looking at a homeless person or vice versa. If I want to see a junkie or needles, I know where I can find them within rock throwing (occasionally shooting) distance.
As for you working on engines… big deal. Wow. It has no bearing on homeless people and any number of people around Derby still build gas turbines. From your own descriptions you were at best, a machinist.
richw_82By day he’s a mild mannered aerospace engineer. By night he’s..
..nobody knows; as he seems to have done everything. :rolleyes:
Tornado64, what are you qualifications in this field. Share your experience please as you’re getting too carried away with this for it to be just a passing interest?
I’d like to know how you can just dismiss Kev’s experiences, while we have to try and accept yours at face value as being far and away more extreme.
You can talk about drug culture all you want, but being a junkie doesn’t automatically mean you’re looking at a homeless person or vice versa. If I want to see a junkie or needles, I know where I can find them within rock throwing (occasionally shooting) distance.
As for you working on engines… big deal. Wow. It has no bearing on homeless people and any number of people around Derby still build gas turbines. From your own descriptions you were at best, a machinist.
richw_82Mark,
Thanks for the reply. There’s some good reasoning in there!
My post wasn’t meant to imply you were knocking the efforts of YAM, I was just interested to see how you view the Lincoln given that it will be a composite, similar to the Halifax.
As to differing types of aircraft sharing bits during wartime, I was more referring to same types. There are many known examples where Lancasters, B17s and others retained only the serial number becoming a mish-mash of whatever sections were ready at the end of repair works. A lot of times the serial number retained would be that of the nose… so if the IWM nose had been fitted, would the result have become serialled as such?
I can’t bring myself to agree that it isn’t a Halifax, as significant attempts were made to keep it constructed properly. It could have been made from fibreglass, and the original sections left where they lay; but they weren’t and so it isn’t.
In short (in my opinion) if it looks like a duck, walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, it is a duck. It just might not be an original duck.
Regards,
Ric
richw_82.
The IWM Halifax cockpit was at the time the most intact Halifax cockpit remaining in the world, and is an historical artifact in its own right, to have mounted it on the front of a frankensteinish reproduction would have relegated it to being just an externally viewed display some 10-12 feet off the ground and simply “part” of that reproduction.
Interesting. What exactly is getting bolted onto the front of the Lincoln project?
It would have been nice if the IWM nose had been put to the project, to make what is a composite aircraft that bit more genuine. I mean its not like during the war the wrong sections ever got assembled back together from different serialled aircraft after repair.
Oh, silly me.
They did.
YAM’s Halifax is an excellent effort. It looks like a Halifax, it sits like a Halifax, and most of the parts (if I remember) carry Halifax part numbers. Thats good enough for me, and the thousands of other visitors every year. Short of getting a tape measure on it and a set of original drawings out, could any of you, honestly, point out where it differs?
Regards,
Ric
(still blinking in disbelief at finding himself defending a Halifax)
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