Colleagues

About 1 year ago I read several news about the upcoming completion of the “Ukraina”, to be conducted by Russia and Ukraine

The ship was then to be sold to India or China

Does anybody has got any news on this?

Did anything happened or is the ship still getting rust?

The Ukraina being sold to China or India is one of those storys that comes up fairly regularly, rather like the China building 3 aircraft carriers tale. The fact is that there is no evidence of either country trying to buy the ship. If she was going to be completed I would have thought that the Russian Navy would be the most likely customer.

No way. The burden of the proof lies with you. You are claiming something, not me.
Go on, prove it !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Nope its with you.

Dont make me laugh if that is you refuting then I think you need to look up the term. America helped prolong the iran-Iraq war that is plain and simple. Since when did I say america was to blame for the war to begin with?

No, Iran and Iraq could have ended the war whenever they had wanted. The fact is that Muslims started a war, they then fought it and continued it. It was the fault of Muslims and you are trying to blame it on America. Exactly the same as you ignoring the fact that Muslims like to lash female rape victims, stone women, kill nuns etc etc.

Again scorpian a source would be good, i remember hearing about some being found but a stash that would constitute an invasion I dont ever remember that.

No i understand very well, what is your point? that your the good guys and they are the bad guys?, the ills between Iran and the US is something they both are equally responsible for, there is no good or bad guy here, your both wrong and both right. I listed the ills the US done with Iran you listed the ills Iran done with the US.

They condemned both when they should of condemned Iraq for invading iran. US provided intelligence information, bogus and real, to both sides, provided arms to one side (a number of scandals broke out), funded paramilitary exile groups, sought military bases, and sent in the U.S. Navy, supplied credit loans to Iraq, helped prolong the war that is the point I was making.

Prolonging the war in the end led to a million deaths, both Iran/Iraq before the war were advance and rich like developed countries after they turned into third world countries.

Just tell me this why is the US so fixated with israel, look at the distant between you both, there not even a major trading partner or anything on the face of it of value to the US. You talk about how only two countries in the region recognize israel, and that concerns the US because? why does it bother you who is israels friends and not, why do you guys give them billions of dollars in aid and advance weaponary? ever wondered why? please dont give me the supporting democrasy example if that is the case why isnt america supporting a number of other weak democrasies around the world. Why dont you guys keep your nose out of the area is that too much to ask?

The british empire is over and I would advocate the british government to also keep its nose out for its predecessors caused the problems to begin with.

Typical Muslim rambling about how all their problems are someone else fault. Try taking responsibilty for your own peoples actions. The Iran Iraq war was fought by Muslims and between Muslims, it was not Americas fault.

Yeas exactly…

…then why to get upsetted when russians exercise? If Sweden sails to the coast of Spain and fires few RBS-15, would there be thread tittled “more swedish porn”? Or any other country for that matter?. I doupt. But when russia does it, suddenly all this ranting and bashing.

What makes this whole thing more than just “everyone exercises”-type of notice is that this is the first time in russian era when something like this happens. It deserves attention and constructive discussion but unfortunately the issue is being ruined from the start.

The discussion here has been constructive and I dont see any bashing going on. If you feel the need to heap ill deserved praise on Russia for this then go ahead but I see no reason why.

Then again why all this childish ranting and dishmissing and minimalizing? Why cannot you for example make a truly un-emotional and objective comments over it and not going for “rusty ships” and stuff? If it isen’t fear then what it is?

Its the truth. Everybody exercises, we dont get all upset when any other country exercises its forces do we?

Prove it.

disprove it.