Hi Old shape, You mentioned that you heard the bang approx 30 seconds after the flash. I was told in the past the speed of sound travels approx 3 seconds a mile, but checking up its more like 5 seconds a mile, so you were a lot closer still.
G.

Damn, I thought you’d read an article about it……not using bits of science and rithmitic. 🙂

How specifically (i.e. from an engineering point of view) can you tell what caused the hole and the denting and what not?
And what exactly is ‘a hit from outside’? A collision with another sub (rather small hole then, don’t you thinkg?), a torpedo explosion (suggests an ASW lightweight 324mm diameter torpedo, not a 553 mm diameter M48 heavyweight. however, Kursk is designed to withstand such lightweight torpedoes. besides the hole seems far larger than a 324mm or even a 533m shaped charge warhead would cause. considering that a 125-150mm ATGW shaped charge warhead causes a hole in tank armor of maybe 10mm, which diameter torpedo would there have had to have been to cause a hole the size of which is in the Kursk’s side), something else?

As an engineer, try e.g. thinking about
a) things that happen during an underwater explosion (stuff implodes)
b) things that happen when a lage, heavy hull comes down onto a rocky sea bed.
c) things that happen during a rescue attempt (holes were cut to look/listen)
d) things that are done during salvage (hull sawed through vertically, holes were cut to affix lifting cables)

Can you rule out all other possibly causes besides ‘a hit from outside’? I think not.

And indeed, how on earth did you drag up this 4 year old thread?

Last point 1st. Don’t care how old it is, I’ve only recently seen the photographs of the Stbd side of the hull. So I perused the forum. I don’t tend to watch the news so missed it all at the time.

Other points raised: –
a) things that happen during an underwater explosion (stuff implodes)
Yep, but the damage was to local around the hole, an implosion caused by the vacuum of the bang would have damaged an area at least between two frames as the steels and titanium folded. The only possible explanation of a hole imploding would be if there was a type of “Build Door” in the hull. A door that is used in construction then finally welded up after the finish…..but that somewhat defeats the object of a pressure hull. This practice is more normal on Surface ships or Aeroplane wings (Front Spar usually – but NOT welded)

b) things that happen when a lage, heavy hull comes down onto a rocky sea bed.
Can’t buy that one, the hole is to neat. Not sure how rocky it is at that point, it looked fairly flat on the rescue attempt pictures. Also, I’m not sure of the drop speed from her depth at the time to the 500 feet bottom.

c) things that happen during a rescue attempt (holes were cut to look/listen)
A look / listen hole the size of a Dustbin lid? And, they opened the hatches anyway. Holes for a shufty-scope need to be no more than 1/2 inch, more like 1/4 inch.

d) things that are done during salvage (hull sawed through vertically, holes were cut to affix lifting cables)
In that case there would be several cable holes, not one. The sawing could not cause a hole.

The hole size is indeed odd for a molten metal shaped charge. I don’t know about torps but yes anti “Land armour” holes are 1/2 inch or so.

I’m not suggesting a conspiracy, but it is not so outrageous to assume it could have been sunk by the act of another sub – a weapon or a collision.
I’ve lied enough for Queen and Country/defence of the realm so it’s actually possible for those higher up than me to lie. Politicians are duty bound to lie so we cannot even hope to believe them. We (Reading this) shall never know, this is probably covered by the hundred year rule.

I’ve never heard of him, but as you listed his films I realise that I should have. Great films, especially FB Day off.

ROFL!

I’ve “Nearly” danced in the street whilst walking home from work with the Walkman in.

thank you for your contribution, you are the perfect example of what happens when you don’t apply revisionism in history.

ROFL. You are certainly on a troll run. Your 22-0 down at half time and you still think you can scrape a draw. Gotta admire the tenacity.
It’s precisely because we learn from history that we know that if the Bad guys have a weapon, the West needs a bigger and better weapon. I am PROUD to be working on the next generation nuclear weapons and the platforms that will launch them. Obviously, if used it will take out a grid square on the Atlas, we don’t actually want that but it may have to come to that…..if certain people don’t listen and start behaving. They will fire first and we shall finish the job. They know this so lets hope they aren’t as stupid as their policies indicate.

The A300’s are just rather tired inside and are ready for a refit. Some what cramped from what I remember as well – 3-3-3 config.

I flew LGW-Rhodes-LGW last summer on the A300.
Not only tired inside, but ram-jam full of seats. I’m 6foot1 and I could not relax in the seat unless I put my legs at 45 degrees under my wife’s.

The week after I flew on a Fly-be Dash 8 400. There was 4 inches in front of my knee to the seat in front. Superb.

Stan & Ollie
Harold Lloyd
Buster Keaton
Marx Bros
Bob Hope
Abbott and Costello (Very especially the Who’s on first sketch)
The Belles of St Trinians and any other Ealing type comedy.
Eric and Ernie
Tommy Cooper
Most of “The Comedians” from the 70’s. Very especially Les Dawson.
Minder.
Modern stuff….Ross Noble, Bill Bailey, Dara O’Briain, Tank Sherman. So long as they are funny I like them. No need for the language of Chubby Brown (His jokes are funny without the swearing). B. Manning was a very great comic.
Little Britain was OK for two series, then they ran out of ideas and thus just made the characters more disgusting whilst wearing out the same tired joke.
Only Fools and Horses will always make me chuckle…but they should have never made another one after they became Millionaires.