My missus helps to convict child abusers.
I never get to hear names (Obviously) but I hear the outcomes and the trial details etc. To me, it’s perhaps the most disturbing thing a human could do.
Very especially the “Groomers”. They get a kick from grooming a 1 year old until they are say 7 or 8. Sooner if that’s what they are into.
There are often leaks from the Courts. The court transcripts sell for £400 / £500 on the “Special” units. Sick.
They are quite impossible to reform. This is why I said a long time back that it is claimed these sorts are mentally ill. Lots of drugs and other institutional treatments do not work. Upon release they offend again………even if it’s looking at a playground full of kids, when they have been specifically told to keep away from such places as part of the rehab. / parole.

If their mothers knew they would give birth to such, they would abort.

Have you been rehearsing your posts in the Serious subject thread on the frog,old shape ?

Don’t get that BB.

I asked my son (Aged 6) this evening “Why have you put Gold glitter on the Frog?” (Frog near pond).

“To cheer him up a bit!

Just a quick question for anyone who is in support of the death penalty…and I think the only one here is OldShape

If, after an execution has been carried out it comes to light that an innocent person has been wrongly killed, would you stand by the system?

Given that this has already happened, are you saying that you are willing to let innocent people die so that others can be ‘rightfully’ (in the loosest sense of the word) executed?

What purpose does execution actually serve, and in what way is it superior to incarceration? From what I have seen presented here it would be financially the more expensive option, would have no system of recourse after sentence is carried out, and I remain unconvinced that it would carry significant deterrent value. After all, if it was an effective deterrent we would never see anyone convicted of murder in states where execution is on the statute books, and in any case the majority of murders are in spur of the moment violence rather than pre-meditated.

If anyone I cared for was murdered, then I admit, I would not feel morally in the wrong for dealing out the same to whomever perpetrated the act, in fact I would probably be in favour of it; but is this any way to construct a justice system?

This is exactly why I stated a 12-0 jury, lots of forensic etc.
That bally great big report on the Californy system stated that there was no evidence whatsoever that they had killed an innocent person……but that isn’t to say that they “Could” at some point.

I think our hang-ups on evidence stem back from the 1950’s England, where some chap was hanged on verbal evidence…later found to be innocent. And another one where the accused stated he was under the station clock at the time…..he could here it ticking. It was an electric clock so his alibi was shot to pieces. Weeks after the hanging, the janitor mentioned that the clock ticked in cold weather due to the motor being a bit worn.
That sort of stuff is totally unacceptable.

It alright BB, the UK has signed the UN Convention Against Torture so nobody can make us do housework, or anything else that is Cruel, Inhuman or Degrading. :diablo:

Er, no. Not technicalities, they were entirely innocent. But, after torture, their confessions were the main evidence in their cases. The point being that torture can produce unreliable evidence, innocents are locked up, guilty go free and justice is not done.

And Arnie is waiting for your e-mail, I gather he needs your insight to sort out California’s penal system. :rolleyes:

Still as Shakespeare never said:

Apols.
I didn’t read the reports on them. I read that bally great PDF on the Californy situation.
As I said, the Police chief was a moron.
As for Arnie, “Talk to the hand” LoL.

Not sure even Old Shape’s rules of crime and punishment would sort that one out! :rolleyes:

Sorry, I know your stance…..I was just joking as I thought the situation was ironic. 🙂

I don’t iron.

Who are you, and what have you done with the real old shape? :diablo:

I am all these things. With a “Don’t sit on the fence” attitude to one or two things. LoL.

Stella. YOU FOOLS, YOU FOOLS! “Reasurringly expensive”. What a masterclass of marketing! They are ripping you off by about 150% per can, so they give it “in ya face” on TV. It’s like getting mugged twice. It has a little taste, but it’s other claims to justify the price are just rubbish.
Even the Co-op’s own strong lager tastes better, and is an outrageous 8.5% Alc. Don’t knock it until you try it.
I’m an Ale person, but occasionally tortured to drink lager at somebodies BBQ. Flavour in Lager is an odd thing. I love the German cloudy stuff, I love the Belgian Qwark (sp). I love the true Bud and the draft Holsten in the early 80’s. Oh, and the one they sell/brew in Cyprus. The rest are pretty awful, it’s lack of flavour hidden by the ice cold temp. it’s served at.
Oh, and the one that was brewed to prevent farting. Sold in curry houses. It tastes OK, but it doesn’t work in that department.

Does anyone care?

Pete does.

I don’t buy the papers, but when I passed the newsagents the other day, it seems only the Times and the Gruniad didn’t have them on front copy.