Hornet crash
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Twin Hornet Crash
Not sure on the exact cause of this Hornet double crash. I think one may have been doing a bolter and took out the other in the process. Check out the sea conditions at the time , this may have something to do with their attempt at mating.
Photos from my collection
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Skyraider 1 849 NAS
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some of my collection
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skyraider pics
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Photos taken at Cobham hall 08
Ollie, that would be XR444, ditched,as you say with fuel starvation on 26th June 1972 with 3 crew and eight pax : struck off charge a month later. It subsequently went to the Army Veterinary Centre at Melton Mowbray where it was used to train ‘sniffer dogs’ (I thought all dogs were sniffers?…mine is 😀 ) to find drugs and bombs secreted on aircraft. Might even be a photo of it extant. Regards, Brian S.
Many thanks Brian for the date, My interest stems from the fact that I was serving with Culdrose Station flight at the time of this incident. It was employed on Round Robin Flights which included Northern Ireland, Speke Roborough,Lee on the Solent, Yeovilton and Prestwick. I worked on this XR444as a visiting aircraft but couldn’t remember if the last time it had dry feet was at Culdrose. In any case there was always concern when an aircraft was lost that was until the BoI had made it’s findings public. Ground crews always get nervous when the A700 gets locked in the squadron safe!
non-sequitur
Non- sequitur or not whilst I am aware that the aviation engineering fraternity were not aware of area rule, transonic phase and all that is known to us today the papers released on the subject still make good reading. The Americans ‘believed’ the information they had gathered from German sources, is it also possible that they had all the development data notes on the 262 as well? If this was the case why were tech evaluations buried in secret folders and are only now coming to light,I can only re-iterate my earlier post ……’It makes interesting reading’.
mutke
The point of my input wasn’t to try to justify Mutke’s(apparent)claim merely to draw attention to the papers now released onto the web. These show the americans ‘believed’ the barrier had been broken by possibly several pilots before Chuck did his bit. If people have the time to search for these official documents they make interesting reading all the same.
1st supersonic pilot
http://www.aerospaceweb.org/question/history/q0198c.shtml
For those who havent read this account of Hans Guido Mutke’s flight on 9th April 1945 flying an Me 262 it may throw a spanner in this debate. Further referencing can be found on the net including information released by the Americans on this and other debriefed pilots of the German jet. It pre dates the bell aircraft and one has to ask if the Americans knew this why did they continue telling the world that they got a first?
Training manuals
Hi all, what an interesting thread. I well remember a childhood where the Second World War was still fresh in the minds of many. To this end I was forever chided for reading Commando magazines,and often called a warmonger all this and from my own father. This didn’t stop me from reading them perhaps it made me more determined to collect them. I joined the Navy and like a lot of those childhood things that i had collected into the bin they went. To my surprise I then discovered that the collecting habit was alive and well within the service, we even had an un-official lending library for all the latest titles. When I joined my first ship the Commando carrier Hermes, the demand went up as 800 Royal Marines commandoes swelled the ships company. The Commando Magazines were known within the Navy as training manuals for the embarked “Royals”. The Captain even fobid their being taken ashore whilst on a visit to Hamburg so as not to upset the locals. Even without these comics the standard reply to a German asking If we had been to Germany before would have been met with the answer ‘No but my grandad flew over during the war’! ………..Childish I know but great for starting conversations!!!
myth too at Elstree
I have been looking for this photo since first reading this thread. The wreck was removed by the Royal Navy’s Mobile Aircraft Repair and Transport Section then based at Lee-on-The-Solent. It was stored there for a while, this was the norm until investigations into the circumstances of the crash were investigated by the D.o.T. Lee provided a secure venue for this purpose. In my time on this section we were tasked with looking after a number of such wreck’s this was probably the most notable.[ATTACH]168034[/ATTACH]
Offended?
I take no offence from healthy discourse. I am as I have said earlier well aware of the aircraft held on 820 their mark colour scheme etc the FAAM is the best place to see this and other Air Arm aircraft, I would say that though as whilst serving with MARTSU the Naval aircraft transport section I helped put quite a few of those exhibits in to the museum. It was a wonderful job for anyone who has a passion for aviation to be involved in. Maybe I will start a thread along those lines who knows. To all at the FAAM keep up the good work. So me offended …………Nah!
Radome 2 or 5
So you spotted the mistake then? Most of the mods applied post colour scheme change have been removed, however to totally return this airframe to a Mk 2 standard proved one step too far. It would have been possible to have retro fitted the smaller dome but but mostly time constraints didn’t allow.
There are other anomalies for the purist spotters including grey not black main rotor blades for instance. Maybe this will just stimulate more interest in this particular sea King?
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In my opinion the Sea King always looked better in this paint scheme.