Do you even know what terrorism is? Pretty much the same as the rest of the world’s outside of the Bush-hating hysterics.

I suppose for the majority of your society the terrorism means hijacking planes and blowing up buildings by al-Qaeda. I doubt you ever bothered what else can be considered as an acts of terrorism and what rest of the world are you talking about? Anyone with a bit brain hate that retard who set up world into war and fear due to 9/11.

if a dinosaur killer landed on Slovokia the first words out of the mouths of 99% of earth’s population would be “Where?” How ’bout I just spell Slovokia “H-O-S-T-E-L”.

Much love for your infantile remarks! It is no wonder that you love watching retarded movies too.:D

I can do pretty much whatever I want with my life (within the boundaries of the legal system…I suppose I COULD be a serial killer but I’d have to pay the price for it eventually)……..

Honestly, I haven`t heard that first time from an American, why you all want to be a serial killer on the first place? 😀 Is that because your American dream culture is the only one where killing and violence is glamorized by the media?

Ah, now the whole society is just a bunch of retards.

Not whole SOC. Even God did not want to condemn Sodom and Gomorrah for a few righteous people, neither do I. As I pointed out there is something you should be worried about, when your society is honouring morbid things. Right, the truth hurts.

A fan of killing Americans, are you?.

I did say do not expect my regrets, that`s all. I`m not a fan of killing at all, but this is interesting I never heard you asking me that about Iraqis, Serbs, Afghans.

Retard showing finger:D

South Park isn’t a documentary.

Never heard of South Park, what is it?

Just because it didn’t work doesn’t mean it wasn’t intended to work.

It seems that I`m still missing your point. You are saying that they installed RAM fairings to lower RCS, but still the Blackbird had RCS size of the B-52. :rolleyes:

I guess we can write off every Russian source then, as they did report in a few outlets that B-2As were shot down over the FRY, right?…I guess continuing an educated and civil discussion is out of the question, since you seem wont to disparage both my countrymen and have decided to lump me in with the same crowd. So be it.

😮 I really have no idea why you started to mention Russians, how were they connected to our discussion on SR-71? I felt this would have been a waste of my time, so go heal your “Russian complex” somewhere else. At last, you seem to be the type of guy how believes that a plane hit the Pentagon on September 11. Yeaah, it`s shame that it did not.:(

Cheers
M

That is according to Lockheed Martin and declasified CIA source material, but I guess they’re lying because they’re American, right?…..Lockheed, the CIA, the USAF…all of them must be completely wrong then.

At least, it sounds weird when they say the aircraft has been designed with reduced RCS in mind, but at the end the aircraft had the biggest RCS ever detected. Then one can say they work on the RCS reduction was worth nothing.
After all, it is true that CIA and US military officials are known for being faithful and credible source of information.:D 😀 😀
Probably the first A-12 test articles were not that fast(I mean endurance at top speeds), managing the high temperature gradients on the airframe took some time. The titanium triangle-shaped LE/TE structure filled with high-temperature fiberglass-asbestos materials was the next step, also counting with full surface high emmisive black and ablation coatings. As I remember the first A-12 were unpainted(titanium color) with black chines and leading edges

adding a tiny box to the side of an F-117A is enough to totally obliterate it’s RCS and make it trackable by a civillian air traffic control radar, then the effects of the plume and the airframe on the Blackbird’s RCS could easily be significant .

Do they really add something metalic (a box:eek: 😮 ) on that fck diamond to make it visible for civilian air traffic control radars?? I thought this explanation was ment for less educated population. I think the pilot switches ON the APX gear in S mode level 3 and the F-117 immediately appears on all ATC radars. Isn`t that a much easier solution?:cool:

You’ll also figure out why most of the RCS reduction work was negated by the introduction of the computer-controlled TALL KING EW radars.

Buddy, I do not need to figure out doubtful findings of your fellow countrymen about soviet TALL KING radars, when the original documentation is lying on my desk.

from every three promises an American gives to you, one is a complete BS, one is a greatly exaggerated marketing gig and from the last one he tries to suck out 150% of agreed winnings..

I like that statement, could be applied anywhere, anytime. 😉

It was either Ben Rich or Kelly Johnson that commented when the SR-71 was retired that the Blackbird enjoyed an RCS equal to what the B-1Bs had at that time. That’d be in the 1m2 realm according to open-source reporting on RCS values of combat aircraft (although I’ve seen 0.75m2 for one or the other at some point, I just can’t remember where). Very, very not bad in 1960. Contrary to popular belief here, the Blackbird was in fact designed with reduced RCS in mind. It was intended to have a reduced RCS and high-speed and altitude capability to make it more survivable than the U-2. It didn’t work as effectively as they wanted it to, in part because it was found that the afterburner plumes were large radar reflectors at Mach 3. This is why shots of A-12 pole models later on in the program had large black fairings extending out of the nozzles: they were calculating the RCS at cruise speed and began to take the afterburner plume’s RCS into account. Ergo, the 1m2 value is probably a head-on value, and that would have been influenced by caustics resulting from the intake lips. Take away the caustics effects and the ‘burner plume effects and it might actually have been closer to 0m2 than 1m2. Still, a remarkable achievement in 1960-63. What people fail to comprehend is that the jet was designed for reduced RCS, even though the results weren’t what they hoped they’d be. As it turned out, high speed and high altitude proved to be fine, especially since the USSR overflight mission ended with FGP’s U-2 shootdown. I could go on all night, so I’ll stop now :D.

Hmmm, if those RCS values were true then most of powerful PVO(air defense) early warning radars like the P-14 TALL KING, P-18 SPOON REST(metric band) or surveillance and tracking radars(cm wave band) would pick up the Blackbird flying at altitude of 25-30km within a distance of 250km only. Just worth noting that when flying at speeds circa 3500km/h, it takes about 4 minutes to travel 250km leaving virtually no chance for the QRA(quick reaction alert) forces even to take off!!!:eek: :rolleyes:
Surprisingly, most of long range radars located at the border(PVO units) with Germany were picking up the Blackbird immediately when it entered west Europa continent heading east. For example the P-35/37 BAR LOCK surveillance radars have effective range 200km against the target with RCS 1m2 at altitude of 25km(source: radar operating manual), but actually radars were able to see the incomming SR-71 at range of 600-700km!!(source:military archives) How is that possible? Again it is worth to note that with these radars we were able to track air traffic over Paris which is roughly 1000km away. Of course, targets with RCS of a commercial passenger jet like. This was useful against big NATO bombers such as the B-52. The Habu`s strong radar return on the screens was easily distinguishable, because no plane was moving so fast and at that altitude.

Some quotes from internet webpages supporting my words.

HUNTING THE HABU
http://www.airsceneuk.org.uk/oldstuff/2006/sr71/sr71.htm
In fact the SR-71 was one of the most un-stealthiest of designs, producing one of the largest radar signatures ever detected on the Federal Aviation Agencies long-range radars! Due to the extreme heat from the exhaust plume, FAA controllers could easily track an SR-71 at ranges of several hundred miles when flown at its operational altitude.

Even this contradictory article at the FAS.org has the same stated….:)
SENIOR CROWN SR-71
http://www.fas.org/irp/program/collect/sr-71.htm
Although most news reports characterize the SR-71 aircraft as `radar evading’, in point of fact, however, the SR-71 was one of the largest radar targets ever detected on the FAA’s long-range radars. The FAA was able to track it at ranges of several hundred miles. The explanation offered was that the radars were detecting the exhaust plume.

So, with west sources admitting that Blackbird could be detected at a range of several hundred miles which doesnt correspond with your belief of small RCS, then what “true world” frontal RCS the Blackird was giving? If it is true that the exhaust plume, precisely ionized gas and dust particles were causing the large RCS returns, I would like to get your opinion on this question.

Was Kelly Johnson so dumb that he put enormous effort into something (reduced RCS of the SR-71) what would have been devalued considerably during operational flight conditions?
I do not think so, becasue the Blackbird was designed to withstand kinetic heating at 400deg Celsius and for flying at Mach 3 speeds rather than for reduced RCS. Thus the aircraft shape with chines, vertical tails canted inwards, ablative paint dissipating heat, better emissive black color than silver titanium and high-temperature fiberglass-asbestos laminates in leading/trailing edges.

Lately, during the “stealth mania” due to misunderstanding and limited awareness of SR-71 design features, someone realized that when putting non-metalic structures into leading/trailing edges instead of metal might have positive impact on aircraft`s RCS. The “stealth” hype about the Blackbird was created.

I could go on all night, so I’ll stop now

In all due respect you are wrong, so please stop spreading rumours.!!

regards
Martinez

……….would largely depend on…… maneuverability..

please do not forget to mention also the “high off boresight weapons, decoys, chaff, flares and electronic/optics sensors”, bcs they will crucify you when counting on maneuverability only….:)

It HAS no tactical value right now.

At least, but you left yourself a back door. Aren`t you a diplomat?;)

What makes me say the contrary is a working professional knowledge of air combat tactics. I’m speaking in “right now” terms.

For sure, I`m not having your “professional knowledge of air combat tactics”, but I would bet a lot that you are wrong when counting with the BVR only. In a global war the Awacs, J-stars and satellites will be blown out from the sky like a flame of a candle by the enemy which ends up by loosing your superior battlespace awareness. Then what will be the outcome when stealth aircraft battling against stealth, how will your tactics develop then? It seems to be logical what Flex has said before that the knife combat might become the most important scenario again. Anyway, since when have aircraft handling qualities become useless in the air combat tactics? I think that US air combat tacticians never considered them uselles, that`s why the Raptor has got them vastly improved.

I’ll try and find my YF-17 book this weekend. I’ll add that to the list of crap I need to find sooner rather than later as everything is still mostly in boxes around here.

Back to the mentioned “hang and look” maneuver. Firstly, I wont start next flame discussion whether the “hang and look” is or is not the cobra manuever. Secondly, you do not need to search your books about the YF-17, surely you have more important things to do. The article I was refering before shows a very nice high AOA flight envelope diagram of the YF-17. The “hang and look” was a maneuver introduced during the high alpha testing phase. The aircraft achieved about 50degree AOA only during this maneuver while remainning in a steady straightforward flight without yaw and banking. As you see this mediocre AOA pitch-ups are nowadays performed on airshows by the F-18 and other modern a/cs. So, you can still claim the YF-17 has been able to perform the cobra, I wont argue with you even if that was something totaly different. Do not worry, it happens sometimes that one is not able to distinguish between a half and full loop maneuver.

Regards
Martinez

P.S.Maybe you`ll find this article interesting

What makes the Cobra maneuver possible?
http://pdf.aiaa.org/preview/1993/PV1993_183.pdf