I’m going to have to search through the archive (although I know I’m thin on Whitley items).
The Whitley’s yoke was similar in design to that fitted to the Wellington and the Stirling, an ‘H’ section U shaped yoke with the release at the base of the U.
Try looking for the Arms and Armour Press reprint of the RAF Airborne Forces Manual (ISBN 0-85368-163-5) which has a diagram of the Whitley’s yoke on page 253.
Has anyone got photos of Spitfires towing Hotspurs? I have copies of the reports for the Mk V and Mk IX, and I know that Farnborough tested the MkI. All I have is a photo of the tow hook on the tailwheel.
I have the AFEE report on the testing of the Fa 330 at both RAF Beaulieu and Calshot. At Beaulieu it was mounted on a trailer which had a winch mounted on it and towed down the runway by a Jeep with a very tall windscreen ie the Rotabuggy without its rotor and tailfeathers. At Calshot it was mounted on the stern of an RAF tender and flown off that (the worlds smallest aircraft carrier?).
The report on the Rotatank suggested that it could be towed by a Halifax which in turn would be towed by a Dakota! Each aircraft would have a 600 ft tow rope – the mind boggles. A Dakota halfway down the runway going flat out and the tank not even moving!
Second the suggestion of Middle Wallop. Two Beavers on display and If you ask, all the publications you could dream of in the archive.
If you want a a historic gyro ask the Museum at Middle Wallop for a loan of the original drawings they have for the Hafner Rotabuggy, the flying Jeep – the rotor system bits of it anyway, for the tail and fins you’ll need to find out if ML aviation (or whaterver they are called now) still have those drawings. These were originally drawn by R Malcolm Ltd of Slough who were part of ML.
For a real challenge how about creating Hafner’s Rotatank, a Valentine with a 152 ft dia rotor!
OK the Rotabuggy didn’t exactly work and the Rotatank never went further than an official report / proposal, but so what.
Oh please not the noise argument again.
The noise of the tips jets was on its way to being fixed and the main reason it was heard longer than it should have was the fact that the Elands weren’t really up to the job.
Aircraft in the sixties were noisy, anyone who has experienced of being in front of running Dart engines, being close to a Vulcan scramble or as mentioned already Concorde will tell you what noise is.
Like a lot of things in British aviation the Rotodyne was ahead of the technology needed to support it, but it will never be resurrected because all anyone ever remembers was the fact that it was noisy (OK someone in America is trying to resurect the concept but they are not major players and funding will be problematic).
You might like to try and find the Aeroplane Collection (Last heard of at Hooton Park in Cheshire) as I recall my family donating a collection of AVRO blue prints to the Northern Aircraft Preservation Society (TACs original name).
The prints were from a collection of momentos of my grandfather who was Works foreman at AVROs Newton Heath factory during WW2.
The collection of drawings certainly contained the wing jigs for the Lancaster, these being modified from Manchester jig drawings on the kitchen table by my grandfather. I recall that some Anson drawings were in the collection as well.
However I don’t know if the drawings still exist (or TAC for that matter).
I do indeed have the info – I have a collection of AFEE reports including P45 which detailed the trials on Lancaster I R5660 dated 1/12/42 and Part 2 of P45 which cover the trials on Manchester L7392 dated 28/12/42 (sorry I may have given you a bum steer in the previous post as to the sequence).
The troop exit in both cases is the hole left by the provision for a ventral turret. Only ten paratroops could be carried along with 7 containers at 300 lb each. Not exactly a full bomb load but only the forward half of the bomb bay could be used for cg reasons!
The Airborne Forces Experimental Establishemnt did clear the Lancaster for parachuting and glider towing – its just that Bomber Command didn’t want to release them. A Lanc B1 Special was also used on trials drops for the Boom Patrol Boat (an exploding power boat) belonging to the early SBS, with the crew sat inside!
The AFEE work on the Lancaster permitted them to clear the Manchester at the same time even though they didn’t have an aircraft!
My collection of AFEE reports also have another AVRO aircraft being tested for para work the York. The report on it mentions a feature of the York that I’ve never seen described before – the bomb bay for the supply containers.
HS Andover C 1
N S Norway’s wartime carreer in the Royal Navy’s Department of Miscellaneous Weapons Development could almost be used in scripts for Dad’s Army. In fact one did. Norway had a hand in the Great Panjandrum, The rocket powered wheel.
Can we get Middle Wallop on it – the least altered BoB airfield still in service use (still a big patch of grass with pop up pill boxes in situ).
Mention of the Rotabuggy (not rota jeep) reminds me that Herr Hafner proposed a larger version of his concept – the Rota Tank, how about a Valantine tank with a 152 ft diameter rotor towed into the air by a Halifax which in turn would have been towed by a Dakota – honest.
Also if we’re mentioning Noel Pemberton Billing’s mad idea’s (Slip wing Hurricane) may I propose the Hillson Bi mono for the thread to codgetate on.
Hendon has so lost the plot that it has commited the most serious sin any modern UK museum can make……………… Its possible to go around a free museum and leave without ever going near the SHOP!
In an original copy of Minget’s book I’ve seen, and one that was used to build a Flea, there was a handwritten ammendment to lengthen the fuselage by 300mm dated 1937. Another mod replaced the cable that pulled the forward wing down (for pitch up) with a tube that allowed the wing to be pushed up (for pitch down).
I understand that the original fatal dive problem was a function of the main wing interacting with the rear wing when too much nose up pitch was applied, so a method of increasing the spacing between the wings and ensuring the pilot had a way of pushing the forward wing up was needed.
I doubt if fleas were modified before WW2 broke out, and anyway following the war the memory of the ‘killer flea’ was stronger than the memory that Farnborough had found a solution.
Whilst I would look forward to seeing a complete Hamilcar in the flesh (my greatest desire would be able to pole one, but I know that could never happen now), I cannot help thinking where it would be put on completion. The Assault Glider project still have to find a final home for the Horsa. Middle Wallop re-created the Hotspur on the grounds that it was the SMALLEST glider of the wartime quartet (but who these days remembers the Hengist) and on completion the coment heard from the museum management was “I thought you said this was the small one!” Lets not forget that the Hamilcar was the largest wooden aircarft ever built in the UK.
Large aircraft and accountants with small imaginations don’t mix.