TA634 (and W4050 I believe) was surveyed, not with the intention of returning her to flight status, but to find out what sort of deterioration had occurred in the last 50 or so years for the benefit of other potential restorers worldwide.
The survey wasn’t a fully-fledged “what needs doing” but to try to find out what problems were likely with the laminated structure. It was in one of the “classic” mags sometime in the last year or so.
I would suggest that as TA634 was restored to her present magnificent condition for static display only, by museum volunteers, airworthiness even if MAM were interested would be very unlikely.
OK, Digby if you’re the non-so-called expert, what particular year were you talking about. Go back far enough we had hundreds.
As, I believe, one of only 2 Mossies worldwide with any chance of air under her wings again I think it would be a disaster to lose her.
Kermit hasn’t flown his for years, has he?
I’ve got a picture somewhere I took of RR299 and Kermit’s B35, sorry forgotten number, flying together at London Colney.
IF I can find it, I’ll post it.
WW2 does seem the obvious time, but as I have the identical problem to Moggy, it’s not a good idea to include active service.
ATA is certainly not bad but I think going as a sort of benign gremlin would be much more fun.
Tell Hawker there was nothing wrong with the Tiffie tail, it was flutter, tell AW the Albemarle was going to be a dog and not to bother…
Look over shoulders at amusing incidents we’ve heard of.
The one I like (well I would, wouldn’t I) was of a Hurricane materialising alongside the Mossie prototype while at Boscombe Down on trials. He was apparently very interested until the Mossie driver got bored and opened the taps!
I think there was something similar a few years later with a USAF pilot and a Dart Dakota as well.
I remember being angry when Kermit bought the B35, for £100,000 I think, that nobody in this country would buy it.
If another potentially airworthy one goes to the States, angry won’t even come close.
However rare, I can think of no aircraft rare enough to be more important and relevant than a Mosquito.
Totally biased and bigoted opinion.
I remember advising somebody (PC customer) not to buy digital about 5 years ago. I think they started at £500 and were very poor. Given a similar rate of progress, perhaps in another 5 years I may agree with the digi converts.
I did take a laptop to the pub the other week but an album or pack of photos would have been a lot more convenient!
I may be a bit of a Luddite, but I’m still not entirely convinced about AF, although now I have 3 AF cameras (yes, all Olympus) I’m beginning to reconsider. It’s only failed a couple of times, usually when I’ve been too quick for it.
I’ve recently returned to a fully manual Olympus OM1 and as David Burke said, I’m really enjoying it, even though it’s making my head hurt.
I think part of it may be down to do you want instant results or do you want to play around with settings.
For airshows, certainly for the foreseeable future I’ll stick to aperture-priority automatic 35mm SLR. Arrive at show, fit winder, open up 2 stops, focus and shoot.
I think price is extremely important.
Spend the same amount of money on 35mm or digital and 35mm wins.
My new £200 2.1 Mp Olympus C-220 is basically a snapshot camera. I also have a 35mm Olympus mju II which was less than half the price and I bet the pictures can be enlarged at least as much.
I can’t really comment on SLRs as my ridiculously excessive collection of Olympus OMs (I like Olympus, just in case you hadn’t noticed) are all about 20 years old but they weren’t £1000 or more, which their digi SLRs are.
As others have said, I think the time will come but I don’t think it has yet, not for Joe Public anyway and I’m not sure it ever will for me.
“The Stirling was restricted to 100′ span by the B.12/36 spec: ie by the Air Ministry, not Farnborough. Economy measure,for standard hangars! “
I didn’t blame Farnborough for the wingspan! I knew it was the spec but couldn’t remember the number so left it out.
However, it got me thinking. I remembered the Halifax being 98′, although it’s nearer 99′, and the Lanc being 102′ and thought 3′ can’t make that much difference.
Then I looked at the empty weights.
The Stirling was 27% heavier than the Lanc and 39% heavier than the Halifax.
I understand it was built like a brick ____house (insert word of choice) and I now see how they could do it. Come to think of it, bricks couldn’t have been much heavier!
Although most of the comments are right, and many say more than I know, I think the detail’s a bit wrong.
As I understand it, the wingspan was never reduced but was always 99ft to fit the hangars, although Shorts wanted more.
It was Farnborough that insisted on the increase in angle of attack but the prototypes were already in an advanced state of construction and the production jigs were made.
As an aside, wasn’t it Farnborough that caused the strange flying attitude of the Whitley?
My source is a book about the Stirling by, I think, Bowman from some years ago. I was browsing through it only a couple of months ago so am fairly confident but can’t remember any more detail.
My Dad bought it so that makes it mid 80s at the latest.
I can’t check at present as it’s still with my Mum and a 300 mile round trip to look at a book is too far!
I knew Roy Jacobsen at the time he bought the Wellesbourne and Southend Vulcans.
There’s a niggling memory at the back of my mind that he told me one of them had been moved but it seems very unlikely now.
Perhaps he wanted to and couldn’t?
I know he re-registered one on the US registry to no avail.
He said he had loads of spares too, anybody know what happened to them?
RE: Rolls Royce and RM689
Wouldn’t surprise me if BAe sent the spares to MAM. When RR299 was flying, MAM helped out with spares when they could.
The last time I heard of was after the ground loop but it certainly wasn’t the first.
The international Mosquito community (and possibly other aircraft, I don’t know) seem very good at swapping parts amongst themselves when needed.
RE: The Worlds Last ST-25 Monospar…
Re Newark
There’s certainly a substantial lump of Monospar at Newark, but I can’t remember what part. Came as news to me because I didn’t know there were any left at all. Could it be just the fuselage?
Called in at Newark after the Kit Car show in June, (real anorak me, kit car, soon to be two, steam engines, aeroplanes…), it was the weekend of the Cockpitfest and was just closing so it was a real flying visit.
I don’t know why I don’t go more often, its only about 45 minutes away.
RE: Heads Up – 17th Feb
Taped the fighter bombers and watched it this evening.
Some of it wasn’t bad, as already mentioned the continuity left something to be desired, but it was the commentary that annoyed me.
A lot of it was just inaccurate.
Eaxample: Mosquito FBVI. Very impressed by the four .303 machine guns and the 2000lbs of bombs but no mention of four 20mm cannon.
Fairly important part of the armament I thought.
I also fail to see how the Ju87 could possibly be described as the first fighter-bomber.
RE: Free entry to air museums.
I’m sure I read a bit by a “Big Noise” at Duxford in a recent Flypast or Aeroplane.
The general gist of it was that Duxford couldn’t survive or wouldn’t work without admission charges.
I didn’t think anything of it at the time but, why?
RE: Rivets
I was trying to remember where I’d read about the split peas.
It’s obviously too long since I read Jeffrey Quill’s book.
However, I think Wrenchbender’s being a bit more technical than that and asking about the angle under the head.
Put a rivet with a 100 degree angle in an 87 degree hole and it wouldn’t fit too well. Apart from vaguely remembering that a drill is ground to 121 degrees, (strange angle, why?), I haven’t a clue.
RE: Which airshow performer do you miss the most.
As I recall, my answer was, “True, but that’s a Griffon”, followed by silence.
I was privileged to see the TWO Mossies displaying together at the Mosquito Museum just before Kermit’s B35 went to America.
I would love to see that again!