kev35“Hi der dont want to sound like an old fuss pot but the reason they had to land in Rio was as you quite rightly said a broken refueling probe but what they didnt know was they still had a blue steel on board which didnt release hence the Brazil flag next to the 2 argie flags and missles.”
Merlin,
just did a bit of checking and found that the last operational flight of a Vulcan with a Blue Steel missile aboard took place on the 21st December, 1969, some 12 years before the Falklands War. The Vulcans operated over the Falklands with conventional bombs, perhaps it is possible that one or more of these may have hung up? Also, I would have thought that the crew would have some kind of check as to whether the bomb load had deployed correctly, be it electronic or some kind of visual?
Regards,
kev35
kev35Ant.
It does seem sad that on the day the Sunday Times publishes its annual ‘rich list’, we are discussing the potential loss of an airframe which could be preserved for eternity for the sake of a few quid. I realise that might sound contentious but to those on the rich list the sums of money required would be but a drop in their financial ocean. However, I digress. I agree with you that it is not the museum staff, usually, who are to blame when an airframe falls into neglect. They are often volunteers willingly giving their spare time to projects but without adequate back up such as materials, equipment and for most, shelter. What is worrying in this case is that the museum seem willing to sacrifice an airframe which they can no longer care for properly. Fair enough. But aren’t there mutterings about a Concorde? I would seriously question the validity of their claim to a Concorde when airframes in their care are already being disposed of. If they receive a Concorde, will they, in ten years time, chop up that airframe if the chance of something more ‘exotic’ comes along?
The Comet is a significant airframe and worthy of preservation. If you, as a museum, do not have the wherewithal financially, the technical expertise or the staff to care for the airframe, why on earth would you take it on? If the museum’s attitude is such that if any one airframe rots away they can easily obtain something else then that is reprehensible.
Regards,
kev35
kev35Hi, Kab.
I had the same problems as Comet but I did receive one issue. If it’s any help I could probably manage a monthly trip to BHX to pick up the movements listings and perhaps take photos. I am limited by health restrictions so may not be able to manage every month.
Regards,
kev35
kev35“Fair point but I personaly wouldn’t class her as part of british heritage. I’m just fed up of seeing lot’s of money ploud into american aircraft whilst the british examples are in the main left to fester in fields.:( “
I have to agree to a large extent with Steve Young. The B-17, and Sally B in particular, are a significant part of our aviation heritage. The B-17 may not have been used in large numbers by the RAF but it did play its part. It must also be remembered that the B-17 was operated massively by the USAAF from airfields throughout East Anglia. How many B-17 bases were there? With something like 3,000 personnel per station. They lived alongside the British people sharing their heartache and fears. A significant number of Americans married British women, a significant number more had children with British women. They lived their lives and flew their missions, from Britain. And many never returned. More lie buried in Madingley Cemetery. Sally B is operated as a flying memorial to the crews of the 8th AF and in particular the crews of B-17’s. An independent BBMF if you will. To me, that is why the B-17 is a part of our heritage. We must not only think of the aircraft and their crews but also on the impact they had on the British way of life.
Regards,
kev35
kev35Re: “Tell Us Something We Don’t Know!”
Originally posted by T5
Do have something you could reveal to us that would be a huge surprise.. something we wouldn’t expect?For example, do any of these apply to you:
– Are you a millionaire?
– Can you touch your nose with your tongue?
– Have you ever been unfaithful to your partner?
– Have you ever harmed an animal?
– Have you ever been in an accident?In 1995, I had a near-death experience (I did… honest). When I was 10 years old and holidaying in Cyprus, we went on a boat trip to Famagusta. Unfortunately, it got windy and the sea became violent and nasty. We had to cut the trip short and head back to Ayia Napa. On our way back, the boat was attacked by a huge wave and little me was perched on the end with my legs dangling over. The wave pulled me off of the boat and my gran grabbed me just in the nick of time. I could have been a gonna!
Michael.
I too don’t know what you expected but the example questions you gave are strange in the extreme, are they not? Why on earth, or Zob, would you expect someone to tell you they had been unfaithful? Why do you want to know if someone has harmed an animal? Can you touch your nose with your tongue Michael? And as others have said why? Tissues not good enough? Does my being a millionaire add any significance to your life? How?
Your experience was not a near death experience. You came close to being killed but it is not an NDE in the classic sense. Did you see a light? God? Review your whole life? Did you lose all fear and observe the situation from above? Those are some of the classic signs of an NDE.
I don’t think people knew what you wanted them to say to your question. As it turns out it’s become quite funny, just a bit of harmless fun. Nothing to get wound up about.
EN830, which incontipants are the best when compared absorbancy against cost? The way I’m going on it might be useful information to have.:(
Regards,
kev35
kev35Re: “Tell Us Something We Don’t Know!”
Originally posted by T5
Do have something you could reveal to us that would be a huge surprise.. something we wouldn’t expect?For example, do any of these apply to you:
– Are you a millionaire?
– Can you touch your nose with your tongue?
– Have you ever been unfaithful to your partner?
– Have you ever harmed an animal?
– Have you ever been in an accident?In 1995, I had a near-death experience (I did… honest). When I was 10 years old and holidaying in Cyprus, we went on a boat trip to Famagusta. Unfortunately, it got windy and the sea became violent and nasty. We had to cut the trip short and head back to Ayia Napa. On our way back, the boat was attacked by a huge wave and little me was perched on the end with my legs dangling over. The wave pulled me off of the boat and my gran grabbed me just in the nick of time. I could have been a gonna!
Michael.
I too don’t know what you expected but the example questions you gave are strange in the extreme, are they not? Why on earth, or Zob, would you expect someone to tell you they had been unfaithful? Why do you want to know if someone has harmed an animal? Can you touch your nose with your tongue Michael? And as others have said why? Tissues not good enough? Does my being a millionaire add any significance to your life? How?
Your experience was not a near death experience. You came close to being killed but it is not an NDE in the classic sense. Did you see a light? God? Review your whole life? Did you lose all fear and observe the situation from above? Those are some of the classic signs of an NDE.
I don’t think people knew what you wanted them to say to your question. As it turns out it’s become quite funny, just a bit of harmless fun. Nothing to get wound up about.
EN830, which incontipants are the best when compared absorbancy against cost? The way I’m going on it might be useful information to have.:(
Regards,
kev35
kev35That’s right. The numbers are the abbreviated heading in degrees. For instance BHX has 15 and 33. If you approach to land from the north, the runway would be 15 as it lies on a heading of 150 degrees. Approach from the south and it becomes 33, heading 330 degrees, the reciprocal of 15.
Regards,
kev35
kev35Mongu.
My point about the FedEx incident is that someone tried to take over the aircraft in order to use it as a weapon. Should such another incident occur, and I hope it never does, an armed crewman on the flight deck could easily despatch the other crew members. Conversely, an armed crew member may be able to prevent such an attempt.
Sorry I didn’t make myself clearer.
Regards,
kev35
kev35Sauron.
I don’t think anyone can, or would, deny the huge sacrifice made by the Canadians in both the World Wars but I think it is unfair to say they received scant credit for their efforts. Their deeds are writ large in the history of both those conflicts.
I also understand that, having added greatly to the destruction of the enemy over the six years of World War Two, as a final act, they more or less destroyed every bar in Aldershot. I was told it was a violent reaction to the delay in repatriation of Canadian troops? Do you know of, or have any access to, information on that incident please?
Regards,
kev35
kev35Sauron.
I don’t think anyone can, or would, deny the huge sacrifice made by the Canadians in both the World Wars but I think it is unfair to say they received scant credit for their efforts. Their deeds are writ large in the history of both those conflicts.
I also understand that, having added greatly to the destruction of the enemy over the six years of World War Two, as a final act, they more or less destroyed every bar in Aldershot. I was told it was a violent reaction to the delay in repatriation of Canadian troops? Do you know of, or have any access to, information on that incident please?
Regards,
kev35
kev35An interesting topic. Just a couple of points.
Gary.
On the news reports at least two women were shown to be receiving the training. I thought the report indicated that the crews were only to be allowed to have a weapon on board on US domestic flights, at least for the time being. Also shown was an example of the new security doors. As to the law when US aircrew are allowed to carry a weapon on services outside the US I have no idea. It would be interesting to know what would happen to the weapon between flights while the crew were, for instance, in the UK.
As for sealing the cockpit in the manner you describe, isn’t that risky as well? Not only for the sake of emergency but you are sealing someone on the flight deck with a deadly weapon? Remember the FedEx incident? What if the disgruntled employee had been flight deck crew?
Do pilots have to undergo the same security procedures as passengers? Isn’t it possible that a pilot could be coerced into handing a weapon over during the flight? Pre-arranged threats to family etc.
Mongu.
I have to agree that I feel it would be better to increase spending on security and counter-terrorism. The old adage that prevention is better than cure still holds true today.
Regards,
kev35
kev35Well done Andrew, oh hang on, I’m not behind the camera am I?
I’m on the boat under the cliff
🙂
Regards,
kev35
kev35Well done Andrew, oh hang on, I’m not behind the camera am I?
I’m on the boat under the cliff
🙂
Regards,
kev35
kev35Andrew.
Oh Yeah! Got up that cliff no problem with my new four wheel drive jet-propelled wheelchair….:)
Michael,
No didn’t drown, didn’t even get my feet wet., but I could have done.
Regards,
kev35
kev35Andrew.
Oh Yeah! Got up that cliff no problem with my new four wheel drive jet-propelled wheelchair….:)
Michael,
No didn’t drown, didn’t even get my feet wet., but I could have done.
Regards,
kev35
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