RyukyuRhymerChina denies reports it will sell fighter jets to Iran
http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2007/10/25/asia/AS-GEN-China-Iran-Fighter-Jets.php
China denies reports it will sell fighter jets to Iran
The Associated Press
Published: October 25, 2007
BEIJING: China denied Thursday published reports it had agreed to sell its homegrown fighter jets to Iran, saying no talks had taken place.
Reports in Russian and Israeli media said Iran had signed a deal with China to purchase two dozen of its home-designed fighter jets known as the J-10, which could signal greater military cooperation between the countries at a time of continued tension between Iran and the West over its nuclear program.
“It’s not true, it is an irresponsible report,” Foreign Ministry spokesman Liu Jianchao told reporters. “China has not had talks with Iran on J-10 jets.”
Chinese state media revealed at the end of last year that the Chinese air force was equipped with a new generation of the J-10 fighter plane.
Ties between China and Iran are largely absent of the tensions between that country and the West, and it remains an important oil supplier to feed China’s growing economy.
The J-10 has been in development since the late 1980s, according to Global Security, and has utilized Russian technology.
The Russian news reports said the planes would be delivered starting next year, and the contract could be worth US$1 billion (€700 million).
RyukyuRhymerat some point, its probably cheaper and more effective to buy long and medium range SAMs and its associated systems, when it comes to point defense.
RyukyuRhymera bit off topic.
all this news over myanmar got me interested in its military capabilities. Wikipedia and a few other sites often claim Myanmar`s army is one of the toughest and most seasoned in all of S.E Asia despite having issues with ageing equipment. those who have a better grasp of the region, what do you think of that?
RyukyuRhymera bit off topic.
all this news over myanmar got me interested in its military capabilities. Wikipedia and a few other sites often claim Myanmar`s army is one of the toughest and most seasoned in all of S.E Asia despite having issues with ageing equipment. those who have a better grasp of the region, what do you think of that?
RyukyuRhymerpropaply…perhaps the Monks drove them self into near martyrhood in order to provocate the masses.
I only wonder what on why it is that Buddish monks are the ignitor of the rebellion. To my knowlidge, such earthly things like type of government aren’t supposed to be such big deal for religiously strong minded monks. Expecially when we know that the Buddhis monasteries have been in good terms with itself buddish generals of the Junta. The junta has build lot of monasteries and tempels to the monks and havent opressed them in the past.
And then this…makes me wonder wheter the motives behind this are as noble and innocent as some of our American friends migth think at the first hand. And the nasty experiences shows that when things like democracy and freedom are taken to work as a tools for some other motives, things doesent lead into paradise upon earth
I think its because even the junta has respect for the monks, to some degree. they will have to cater to them if they don’t want rebellion in the past. perhaps the monks were willing to let some things slide in the past, but after recent events, enough was enough for them?
in anycase i found a nice flickr site with some pics you guys would find interesting
RyukyuRhymerpropaply…perhaps the Monks drove them self into near martyrhood in order to provocate the masses.
I only wonder what on why it is that Buddish monks are the ignitor of the rebellion. To my knowlidge, such earthly things like type of government aren’t supposed to be such big deal for religiously strong minded monks. Expecially when we know that the Buddhis monasteries have been in good terms with itself buddish generals of the Junta. The junta has build lot of monasteries and tempels to the monks and havent opressed them in the past.
And then this…makes me wonder wheter the motives behind this are as noble and innocent as some of our American friends migth think at the first hand. And the nasty experiences shows that when things like democracy and freedom are taken to work as a tools for some other motives, things doesent lead into paradise upon earth
I think its because even the junta has respect for the monks, to some degree. they will have to cater to them if they don’t want rebellion in the past. perhaps the monks were willing to let some things slide in the past, but after recent events, enough was enough for them?
in anycase i found a nice flickr site with some pics you guys would find interesting
RyukyuRhymerTo me that seems bit too odd. You would believe that normal everyday people (the ones that actually cares of freedom) would be that one that protest, not buddish monks…
I think the normal everyday people are scared crapless by the Junta. I had a good friend who went there, he said its a real state of fear there. I guess the monks are the only one who carry enough influence to actually challenge the junta.. I wonder if the deaths of these monks will inspire the normal Myanmar person to join en masse? :confused:
RyukyuRhymerTo me that seems bit too odd. You would believe that normal everyday people (the ones that actually cares of freedom) would be that one that protest, not buddish monks…
I think the normal everyday people are scared crapless by the Junta. I had a good friend who went there, he said its a real state of fear there. I guess the monks are the only one who carry enough influence to actually challenge the junta.. I wonder if the deaths of these monks will inspire the normal Myanmar person to join en masse? :confused:
RyukyuRhymerWhat do you guys think about the Mitsubishi F-2?
Clearly based upon the F-16/Agile Falcon.
I remember seeing early artist concepts of the F-2 (then FS-X) with canards – similar to the F-16 AFTI.
I think the Mitsubishi F-2 has still got a lot of development potential. Maybe a future air-air version could have canards, like the original pics for improved manoeuvrability.
But, as has been discussed at length in other threads, Japan has its sights on the F-22.
I think the F-2 has wing loading problems and it could use another engine or a more powerful one (is there even an adequate single engine available for it?). even some of the other FSXs (non-F16 based) concepts, I wonder if were practical at all (for anti-shipping, carrying 4 AShMs). Ideally I think they should’ve just worked with McDonnel Douglas/Boeing on a variant of the F-15 given Japan’s geographical needs.
RyukyuRhymerWhat do you mean on the bright side? It is because of Abe that Chinese-Japanese relations improved in the first place. Shintaro Abe looks like a person anyone can respect, not that peacock funny hairdo Koizumi.
no, I was comparing Aso and Fukuda who were competing against each other for prime minister rather than Abe. “on the bright side” was in reference to Fukuda’s victory over Aso. Had Aso won, he probably would’ve shot off his mouth and needlessly irk certain peoples and countries.
Abe is incredibly unpopular in Japan at the moment (although I think a few issues people give him too much credit for ).
Koizumi.. he is kind of like Bush with Americans in say, 2004. people either love him or hate him. Most Japanese youth these days actually don’t care about politics or international relations really. Among graduate students, Koizumi is usually disliked, mostly in that they blame him for the growing income gap between rich and poor. Older people seem to like him. and peacock or not, quite a number of people find his hair captivating for some reason or another. I’ve seen middle age men impersonating his hair style
Understandable. Although I did quite remember what Japan wanted was a mutated form of F-16 that had canards.
As you know, Japan already had some concepts of what they wanted the FSX to be.. the most common one being a delta canard with two tails. I remember that before the F-2 came out, some video games portrayed the FSX in that manner. Ironically, now when the Japanese really do want an American aircraft, they wont sell it
RyukyuRhymerWhats with the thumbs up and down.
Every positive Japanese article gets a thumbs down and a negative article a thumbs up ? :rolleyes:
after looking at some of his posts..
well from my experience, many of Chinese (and also Korean) background have a love/hate thing with Japan.
many of them tend to love Japanese media, especially anime/manga, jpop, and girls. they also have some kind of respect for its economic position.
at the same time, they have anger over historical grievances. the Japanese government hasn’t really done a good job at addressing some of it (i.e not removing war criminals from a shrine, textbooks etc). The older generation of Japanese can also be quite hawkish, people like Aso Taro say simple things that really rile Japans neighbors.
On the bright side, Abe stepped down, Aso didn’t win, and Fukuda is the new prime minister, perhaps relations will improve now.
as for the F-2, here in Japan, not too many people really like it… we really feel that it was a design forced onto Japan by the US.
RyukyuRhymerAll these does not matter anymore. China and Russia have neatly agreed on these matters of border and treaty.
If only more minds were like yours.
Unfortunately, I’ve met many nationalists who think otherwise. We’ve a few Russians here in Japan too, and they’re no better as well when it comes to nationalistic sentiments. 🙁
RyukyuRhymerwe have quite a number of Russian grad students here in Japan. I talked to them about Putin. All of them seem to think highly of him.. many were half half on Gorbachev, and most don’t seem to like Yeltsin.
They seem to have strong suspicions of what the US is doing. Despite his questionability on media and political freedom, it seems he’s still quite popular. The economy certainly has improved substantially, although much of it depending on energy.
I personally do not like some of the strong arm tactics they’ve used on the Baltic nations and Georgia.
RyukyuRhymerwe have quite a number of Russian grad students here in Japan. I talked to them about Putin. All of them seem to think highly of him.. many were half half on Gorbachev, and most don’t seem to like Yeltsin.
They seem to have strong suspicions of what the US is doing. Despite his questionability on media and political freedom, it seems he’s still quite popular. The economy certainly has improved substantially, although much of it depending on energy.
I personally do not like some of the strong arm tactics they’ve used on the Baltic nations and Georgia.
RyukyuRhymerTo be prefectly honest, it is the FAR EAST. It’s not really Russian. That land was originally part of the Chinese Empire before being stolen by the Russians.
Just as Europe remained European after the invasion by the Huns and Turks, the “Russian” Far East will remain East Asian long after the Russian invasion.
The Russian Far Eastern lands were home to Tungusic, Turkic and Mongol speaking minorities (like the Nanai, Evenki, Yakuts, etc) before either the Chinese or Russians came and conquered their lands. Sadly these days they only speak Russian or Chinese, except for the Yakuts and Buryats who held on to their identity a bit better.
the areas the Qing lost are only the maritime provinces in south eastern Russian Far East, and some border areas in Western Siberia. Russian Far Eastern areas like Kamchatka, Yakutia, etc were never part of it and only conquered by outside forces when the Russians first arrived. In addition, many of these areas only became part of China during the Qing dynasty only. Qing enforcement of these areas were often sparse and lax until the Russians started coming in.
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