Originally posted by GarryB
You must be very easily shocked.A South Korean Newspaper states that Koreans are, on average, of smaller stature than your average Russian Tank trooper and I repeat that. I guess the South Korean Newspaper can’t be racist because they aren’t white, but I can because I am white.
Personally I am shocked at your narrow minded PC attitude, as well as WACHENR0DERs and Googles.
I think we’re arguing over different things here. Garry was correct in his original statement that Koreans are in general, of a smaller stature than Russians. However, it seems that what we’re saying is that Koreans are of a larger stature than their Asian counterparts.
Radar diameters from sources and my calculations;
JL-10A ~ 740-780mm
KLJ-3 ~ 980mm
Elta EL/M-2035 ~ 680mm (from an Indian online newspaper)
Zhemchoug ~ 624mm
Zhuk-8II ~ 680mm
Sokol Phased-Array Radar/Zhuk-MSF ~ 980mm
Grifo S-7 ~ 600mm
Kopyo ~ 500mm (Milparade)
Grifo 2000/16 (compatibility with AN/APG-66 which has dimensions of 740mm x 480mm)
Elta EL/M-2032 ~ 520mm (MilParade)
N001 series of radars for MKKs ~ 1080mm
Pero/Panda for Su-27 ~ 1050mm
Zhuk-MS ~ 960mm
Type 1471, KLJ-1 ~ ? No clear shots that are large enough
How the radars were originally grouped according to various defense sources (Jane’s, Kanwa, etc…)
J-10: JL-10A, KLJ-3, Elta 2035, Zhemchoug, Grifo 2000/16, KLJ-3
Su-27/J-11/Su-30: Sokol, N001, Pero/Panda, Zhuk-MS
J-8: Zhuk-8II, Elta 2032, Type 1471, KLJ-1
FC-1: Grifo S-7, Kopyo, Elta 2032
After doing my calculations, I think that the following is a more logical list (based on clustering similarly sized diameter antennae together):
J-10: KLJ-3 (may or may not = Type 1473), Sokol/Zhuk-MSF, JL-10A, Grifo 2000/16
J-11/MKKs: KLJ-3?, Sokol?, and various assorted other Zhuks and N001s
J-8: Zhuk-8II, Zhemchoug, Elta EL/M-2035, KLJ-1, Type 1471
FC-1: Grifo S-7, Kopyo, Elta 2032
I don’t think it would make very much sense to put a small radar (Zhemchoug) into a J-10. That’s not to say that some of the technologies weren’t taken from the Zhemchoug and used for indigenous radar development.
One caveat: of course, one problem with these estimates is that the exact nose diameters of the planes aren’t known, especially on the J-10, so saying that the J-10 can accomodate the KLJ-3 (based on Internet discussions) and then proceeding to make calculations off of that could be detrimental to the final conclusion.
Was re-reading Huitong’s entry on the Y-8C 079 radar test craft. It was used to test radar for both the J-10 and JH-7, so I’m beginning to think (in light of the smaller JH-7 nose) that the B&W image by SZ. Long may be depicting the test of the JL-10A, and the bulbous nose that of the KLJ-3 or similar radar for J-10/11.
For the Y-8C with the small conical nose (SZ Long’s B&W picture), I would estimate the antenna diameter to be <= 850mm or so. This would put it around the same neighborhood as the JL-10A class of radar.
Interesting, so it has the CFTE badge on the right hand side of the tail, and PLAAF markings on the left hand side.
OK, I estimate the JL-10A as depicted to be about 740-780mm in diameter.
Assuming that the line drawing from Jane’s AWA 2003 is to scale, the length of the nose probe is 1.3 meters. The diameter of the nose cone is about 0.975 meters, and the JL-10A diameter is around 0.74-0.78m.
The two support beams are clearly visible. Pic enlarged with Photozoom Pro.
I haven’t, but thanks for the picture. I’ll do some estimates and get back to you.
The JL-10A is a good candidate like you said in terms of supporting domestic ordnance, except its overall performance seems a little weak.
Heh, he’s got a nice pair of rimless glasses.:)
I agree, paying the screeners much more will result in a more professional and thorough force. The money saved from not implementing this fingerprinting could go towards increasing their pay.
All we have are the same old screeners making $5.25 an hour whose badges switched from some private firm to the TSA. If you pay him $5 bucks an hour, that’s the kind of lousy service you’re gonna get.
I agree, paying the screeners much more will result in a more professional and thorough force. The money saved from not implementing this fingerprinting could go towards increasing their pay.
All we have are the same old screeners making $5.25 an hour whose badges switched from some private firm to the TSA. If you pay him $5 bucks an hour, that’s the kind of lousy service you’re gonna get.
I don’t think it’s possible for a JF-17 to carry a Shaheen I
Originally posted by PhantomII
I figure if the Spectre/Spooky was really that vulnerable to MANPAD’s we’d have lost a sizeable number of them because as you say they aren’t as agile as say an A-10.
They also carry a sizeable ECM suite, but as frank mentioned, they’ve been used in low threat environments where the enemy isn’t armed with the latest and greatest in manpads technology.
butt, anal, rear, derriere, what’s the difference? It’s just a word, why does the rearrangement or insertion of a few letters bother you?
Excuse me, it cannot be truck mounted. The picture that Hyperwarp posted, the same as the one below, shows the radar being moved on a truck to its final position.
Well, it clearly says on the picture that it’s an SLC-4 radar.
It’s used to track their spacecraft and other objects- comes in stationary, or truck-mounted versions.
The electronics and computer displays are packed into the nearby parked trailer.