Are we done yet? It is all terribly tedious.
I stand corrected, apologies. AL-31F-M1 is currently fitted to Su-27SM1s & SM2s. It is envisaged that 31F-M1 will be supplied for the 92 Su-34s on order thru 2020, however MMPP Salyut has been in negotiation with Sukhoi to commit to the FM-2 to complete flight trials (in 2013), certification and hence deliveries to the aforementioned new build Su-34s:
http://www.ato.ru/content/vozmozhnosti-modernizacii-dvigatelya-al-31f-eshche-ne-ischerpany
Nice find TR1, bodes well for the PAK-FA HMDS, which I’d expect to exceed the capabilities of Thales’ ‘TopOwl-F’ and be comparable to BAE’s ‘Striker’.
But AL-31F-M1 is installed on Su-34s, it’s improvements over the baseline AL-31F include intake diameter increased to 924mm and thrust increase to 13.5T. MMPP Salyut’s designation for their series produced models are AL-31F Series 42 (M1):
http://www.salut.ru/Section.php?SectionId=4
After passing state trials in 2006, the Russian MoD placed an order for the M1 to debut on the Su-27SM and later Su-34s. A second stage modernisation is known as the AL-31F-M2 with thrust increase to 14.1T.
This has passed company trials and MMPP Salyut hopes that Sukhoi will order the type for new build Su-34s, SM3s etc. sometime in 2013. It may also be the engine selected for the IAF’s ‘Super-30’ upgrade (tbc).
The most recent iteration or third stage upgrade (aka AL-31F-M3) is a very different beast and incorporates several stages and components developed for the 5G engine, developing a thrust of 14.6T:
FGUP “VIAM” (ФГУП “ВИАМ”) develops ‘smart’ polymer composite materials, for aircraft, with special mechanical attributes (e.g. load dissipation such as adaptation effects in composites with controlled anisotropic elastic deformation properties). It also says the composite has special radar-absorption properties (i.e. CNT modified) @ 02:55;
Metal/polmer matrix composites (MMC) engine fan blades @ 05:03;
You underestimate the importance of the avionics obviously..
You underestimate the importance of objectivity, obviously.
Get a source for that ? .
Not my favourite journo, but:
http://indiandefenceboard.com/threads/iaf-mig-29-aesa-upgrade-on-the-way-janes.4533/
Yep, able to give away his position at several hundred of kilometers. Honnestly, using your radar at full power is more and more unsusual..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cieLN4_tn0A
About your link, well, I don’t undersand how those guys manage to got their hands on a yet relesased radar.
Levsha can throw his toys out of his pram further than you!
Indeed – with so many Su-30MKIs in service for which (among others!) the T-50 in whatever variant it manifests in by that point is eventually the designated replacement, does anybody really believe 144 will be the last word? Was the 214 number actually ever formally committed to?
As regards FGFA specs, numbers, costs etc. I think we should all just wait for the deal to be signed during Putin’s visit to New Delhi sometime in the coming weeks and official data will become available shortly afterwards, particularly from the Indian government’s side as the deal transits parliament & various departments for approval (not to mention what HAL will blurb in their excitement!).
Delving into the history of the FGFA and who said and signed what, where and when is simply too contradictory and confusing (believe me, I’ve tried!). There will be no disputing the above contract, aside from the elements deemed confidential upon which we can engage in vigorous speculation- but at least we’ll be able to ‘put the flesh on the bones’, whereas now we have next to nothing to go on.
The IAF’s ACM Browne talks about the FGFA earlier this month, video from 19:24
FalconDude, I don’t think it’s a capability issue, as the two sides have been in negotiations for several years now, besides if the plane was not fit for purpose December’s landmark deal would not go ahead.
It’s almost certain that the Indians are miffed about their level of involvement, ToT and IPRs, most of which we will never know about, but I think they were expecting more than a mere T-50MKI ‘partnership’.
A 3 year slip will undoubtedly involve a unit cost escalation inclusive of development and production expenditure, there are many precedents- the most recent being F-22 & F-35, and like these two the original procurement numbers were optimistic.
There are several high-level political problems emerging in Indo-Russian relations. Firstly, the hugely embarrassing and disappointing INS Vikramaditya saga. The accord securing Russian construction of up to 18 nuclear reactors in several Indian states has started to unravel. The cancellation of Russian telecoms ‘Systema’ 2G licenses in India and the submission for re-tender, and others…..resolving these issues may have prompted Putin to postpone his visit to New Delhi.
On the bright side, the Su-30MKI entered IAF service 10 years ago. Who’d have thought then that 270 would ultimately be procured.
Rafale and Typhoon vs Mig-35.
India, a user of Mig-29 put the european planes ahead…The technological improvement didn’t stop for 15 years here.
Why wouldn’t they? As a design the MiG-29 is almost a generation older than the Eurocanards, irrespective of the ’35’ designation. Having said that, the IAF pilots were apparently mighty impressed with the initial iteration of the ‘Zhuk AE’ and if the new upgrade model (FGFA-35) with 1,000 T/R modules can achieve the advertised 200km+ range/ 60 targets track; 1mx1m GM/SAR resolution- is that not broadly comparable to Thales’ RBE2 or SELEX’s Captor-E?
Bear in mind Phazatron-NIIR is not Russia’s premier radar design house, and I’m sure you’re aware of the considerable capabilities of Tikhomirov’s ‘Irbis’.
Also, though not European, you may like to note Malaysian specialists rated the NO11M Bars radar on the Su-30MKI/M as having comparable performance to the then still not operational AN/APG-79:
http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1G1-105161255.html
Traditional western technological leads are now rendered largely irrelevant due to COTS.
Pr.20380 ‘Boikii‘ news feature (c/o Djoker):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=6oHyiSYxdvI
Testing of CFRP wing components @ Zhukovskii:
http://www.vesti.ru/videos?vid=457572&cid=1
There was a very interesting (and rare) feature on FGUP VIAM’s cutting-edge engine component manufacture this morning, I’ll post that up as and when it becomes available.
I think JBG means this:
http://forum.keypublishing.com/showpost.php?p=1865794&postcount=397
As DRDO have themselves slated 2017 for trials, then there’s nothing to fret about (yet).
Not true, thanks they were great :). Never seen footage of first flight of MiG-31 b/n 831 by Fedotov on 16/09/75, before! (though subsequently tinged with sadness) :(.
Some nice aerials of Su-27SM & others @ that recent photoshoot by ‘ablogin’:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=bw7WiDsk61A
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A candid smile for Trident (pun intended):
Besides i doubt they will have much to offer the amerricans in any 6G joint venture.. But I hope they are serious about the F3.
It’s interesting that the ATD-X is conceived as a technology demonstrator and predecessor (though not prototype) of the 6G fighter. Tbh, I don’t think the Japanese aviation industry is seriously lacking in any field apart from the engine and certainly not in radar, avionics and EW. Expenditures such as ¥1.6 billion ($20m) in FY2013-16 to study integration of antennas into the skin of an aircraft, show they’re quite serious.
Design isn’t such an issue as already every Tom, Dick & Harry can acquire and use the relevant CAD packages, as demonstrated by several 5G ‘digital’ models by various nations.
As for composites fabrication, Mitsubishi Heavy Industries, Ltd. (MHI) is a World leader and has been developing (with Toray) advanced vacuum-assisted resin transfer moulding (A-VaRTM) technology to overcome the performance and quality shortcomings of VaRTM- trial fabrication & strength tests commenced as long ago as 2007. So there is, in fact, much the Japanese aerospace industry can bring to the US 6G programme.
The only country in Europe I wouldn’t doubt to join is the UK. BAE Systems and the British Government are seeming to be looking at Japan for a number of joint military ventures, this could possibly be one of them they have in mind. A compelling replacement for the Typhoon too perhaps.
I don’t doubt BAE SYSTEMS (US) will be involved in the project but not so sure about national UK partnership like the Tier 1 for the F-35. In an effort not to repeat the F-22 export debacle, I can see the RAF (and others) making a reasonable purchase of the ‘export version’ in the late 2030s.