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  • in reply to: Breaking news the RAFALE WON #2346793
    Jō Asakura
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    “One silver-lining is that EADS, the Eurofighter consortium, holds over 46 per cent stake in Rafale-maker Dassault Aviation. If Dassault does well, the consortium also gets to share the profit pie”.

    So on this basis I really don’t see what why there is so much nonsense from all the contributors on here.
    The way I see it is that BAE will get say 33% of whatever the Indian deal would be if the bought Tiffees or say 15% of the same overall costs if the bought Rafale.
    If this is correct then it’s a winwin for the UK anyway, it’s just varying degrees of how much the win would be?
    How come this has not been picked up and mentioned by anybody yet?
    I Hope i’ve read this correctly? or it will be :o:o:o for me.

    What is the real gain in keep slagging each other off and dragging up the past, particularly from what I keep reading from the Indian contributors. India is supposed to be progressing, moving forward, moving up, growing whatever is applicable for an upcoming nation, but to keep dragging on about what happend hundreds of years ago is sooooo last milennia and people ought to be a little more dignified in their approach.

    Well Dassault shares rose 18% on the announcement and BAE’s fell1%. BAE’s equity exposure may indeed be ~14% (of EADS 46% share previously held by the French government), but that only means they’ll be entitled to a dividend payment- which Dassault can choose to leave unchanged if it so wishes as it retains complete control of management and decision making.

    The financial and industry benefits belong entirely to Dassault (estimated @ 60% of the $15-$20bn), Thales, Snecma and their many sub-contractors and suppliers which may include those dotted around Europe. The Indians will get the rest by means of the industrial offset agreement.

    I sorta concur on your ‘blame game’ comments, because Typhoon’s loss is entirely Jeremy Clarkson’s fault- OFF WITH HIS HEAD!!

    “No, no, David Camera says it’s pronounced ‘Rafael'”

    http://www.airplane-pictures.net/images/uploaded-images/2012-2/2/183212.jpg

    More: http://vishal.jolapara.in/2011/05/13/dassault-rafale/

    in reply to: Breaking news the RAFALE WON #2347813
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    As many of the deliveries will be post-2020, will the ‘F-4’ roadmap spec. figure in the IAF’s plans? (i.e. conformal AESA arrays, 9T engine and the like).

    in reply to: Rafale vs F-16b52+ and J-10 #2347989
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    …and in a neighbouring alternate universe, IAF Rafale downs PAF F-22!!:eek:

    http://www.flightglobal.com/blogs/the-dewline/2011/12/08/rafale%20F22.jpg

    Jai Hind!!:diablo:

    in reply to: Breaking news the RAFALE WON #2349716
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    Well it appears that the Germans (and particularly the British) haven’t given up quite just yet. As for “encouraging” the Indians, PM Cameron can only mean a revised bid, perhaps he’ll push for joint lead-bidder with the Germans as was rejected before.
    Maybe they’ll sit tight and prey the French clutch defeat from the jaws of victory -after all, it wouldn’t be the first time! (that’s a very remote possibility this time round though, imho). As for the £280m in British aid- it’s entirely voluntary (and mostly development/humanitarian) so there’s a danger tinkering with it could backfire badly.

    Deutsche Bank estimates the value of the MMRCA deal to be worth between $15-$20bn, and it expects Dassault (as the core manufacture)to reap around 60% of the total value (this figure excludes Thales’ & Safran’s profit- but they should benefit too). So pousser des hourras!! http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-excited001.gif

    Swerve, I don’t know who your sources are, but my understanding is Russia and India are set to move up from 9th and 10th respectively, with Italy at 8th in their sights. The CEBR predicts that by 2020, the four Brics will be the 2nd (China), 4th (Russia), 5th (India) and 6th (Brazil) largest economies, with only the US (1st) and Japan (3rd) ahead. Obviously GDP per capita is a different story.

    in reply to: Breaking news the RAFALE WON #2350043
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    That India has seen fit to give Rafale the nod should go some way towards allaying any concerns that the previous administration’s preference derived solely from idealistic rather than pragmatic considerations.

    India has 2 serious ‘enemies @ the gates’, as opposed to Brazil which will have to contend with scary-looking indigenous tribes and swaggering drugs lords.

    Ha ha, talk about cutting off your nose to spite your face. Seriously, they should try it and just watch as UK industry is mysteriously excluded from future contracts with the government of the world’s third-largest economy. Someone still thinks they’re living in the days of the Raj it seems. :rolleyes:

    Not 3rd largest (yet). Iirc, 4th largest (by GDP) around 2020. British industry mysterious? Yes, a bit like the Higgs- all the data suggests it exists but it’s difficult to pin down (Sarkozy told me that one).

    Ironically, now that a UK MP has raised the prospect of ‘aid as a weapon’ it will be far more difficult for UK diplomats to talk about the proper levels of aid to India going forward without that nation perceiving and reacting to it as a threat/attempt-at-leverage, where the UK will want to avoid that perception because it knows that it is in British interests to maintain good relations with India — in the long-term, more important than it is for India to maintain good relations with the UK. So, well done nameless MP, your comments probably just guaranteed that British money will continue to flow to India for a few more years than it otherwise might’ve.

    The MP’s name was David Davis (Con).

    Don’t worry, on her delivery voyage ‘INS Chakra‘ can take care of the British Expeditionary fleet. 😉

    in reply to: Breaking news the RAFALE WON #2350127
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    I wouldn’t be too sure about Brazil, Dilma Rouseff and her new Defence Minister aren’t as susceptible to Sarkozy’s assiduous courting as her predecessor. They’re most likely to go for the lowest cost option i.e. Gripen.

    I’d say Rafale’s chances in Malaysia have increased somewhat, they have developed close ties with the IAF via the Su-30MKI/MKM, and will probably be keen to share evaluation data once the contract is finalised. Can’t make head nor tail of the UAE comedy show, are they still wanting the 9T engine upgrade? Are the Indians interested in this engine?

    I can’t believe some MP in UK PM’s parliamentary questions has just raised the issue of using British govt. aid to India as leverage to overturn the MMRCA decision. Some people really need to get over themselves!

    That’s a really pretty French girl in the foreground, Corrosion…but who’s the Russian super-model in the background?

    in reply to: Breaking news the RAFALE WON #2351368
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    Commiserations to the Eurofighter camp (myself included), but it’s clear first and foremost the IAF wanted a state-of-the art, seasoned & formidable striker- and they got what they wanted.

    I guess the Indian Govt. simply wasn’t prepared to take on- board the risk associated with Eurofighter’s roadmap for systems development and integration (not that Rafale’s roadmap will be without pitfalls), being L1 was the decisive bonus. As for the additional 80 option- I’d expect the IAF to end up with 200+ Rafales, wow!! Not bad.

    Imho, this can also been seen as an endorsement of the ‘Super-30′ programme as the IAF/MoD probably felt it unnecessary to duplicate high-end air 2 air capability with the Typhoon. I certainly envisage some of Thales’ future ‘magic goodies’ migrating to the FGFA & AMCA. I wonder if nEUROn was used to sweeten the pill? 😎

    Where does this leave EADS proposals for Typhoon’s upgrade roadmap? 🙁

    @ andys, I can see the US government applying political pressure whereby SHs are leased as an interim measure.

    in reply to: Breaking news the RAFALE WON #2351619
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    FT’s take on ‘The Numbers Game’:

    Dassault wins $20bn Indian fighter jet contract

    By James Lamont in New Delhi and James Boxell in Paris

    India has chosen France’s Dassault Rafale as the preferred bidder in a hotly contested competition worth as much as $20bn to supply the Indian air force with advanced combat aircraft.

    The French aircraft has beaten the Eurofighter Typhoon in a bid to equip India with 126 multi-role fighter jets in one of the world’s largest military contracts.

    The winning bid is expected to shape India’s air power for the next three decades and serve as the bedrock of a strategic partnership. It also has the potential to reshape the European defence industry at a time when companies are suffering from cutbacks in their traditional developed markets.

    The news is a big boost for Dassault and for Nicolas Sarkozy, France’s president, who faces an election this May and is a close ally of the Dassault group of companies, which also owns the pro-government Le Figaro newspaper.

    Shares in Dassault Aviation, maker of the Rafale, rose almost 20 per cent in Paris. If finalised, the deal would be the Rafale’s first export success, which until now has been bought only by the French military.

    The Indian government briefed European governments on Tuesday about its decision to advance negotiations exclusively with Paris-based Dassault in preference to the Eurofighter.

    The decision came after an evaluation of the lifecycle cost of the aircraft, the acquisition cost and military offset consideration. The offsets include the amount of technology that European companies will disclose to India and the share of investment they will bring to India’s defence industries if they are chosen.

    A source at the British High Commission in New Delhi said India’s foreign ministry had told governments that it had reached its decision on the basis of cost and that it was no reflection on bilateral partnerships. The rival aerospace companies were informed earlier in the day of the outcome.

    “We are disappointed, but it’s not all over until the contract is signed. We don’t yet know the final decision,” a UK diplomat said.

    India’s Ministry of Defence confirmed that Dassault was the preferred bidder saying that the final contract would be awarded in the financial year beginning April 2012. It said the cost of the contract would be between $15bn to $20bn and that the Rafale was the cheaper of the rival bids.

    “Rafale is the most competent contender,” said a person close to the negotiations at India’s MoD.

    After trials last year, India had selected the Rafale and the multinational Eurofighter Typhoon to compete in the final stages of the competition. It had discarded bids from Boeing’s F/A-18 Super Hornet, Lockheed’s F-16 Super Viper, Sweden’s Saab Gripen and Russia’s MiG-35.

    “We have won the contract” but “there are still a number of things to finalise”, said Pierre Lellouche, the French trade minister. “We are in a phase of exclusive negotiation.”

    According to Indian officials, the Rafale was selected because it was preferred by the country’s air force and was cheaper than the Eurofighter Typhoon, which is built by a consortium of the pan-European EADS, BAE Systems of the UK and Finmeccanica of Italy.

    The seal of approval for French industry is also welcome for Mr Sarkozy, who is lagging well behind his socialist rival in the polls for the forthcoming presidential election. A large part of the election campaign will be fought around the issue of support for jobs and French industry.

    “The negotiation of the contract is going to be carried out with the close support of the French authorities. It will include the transfer of important technology guaranteed by the French state,” Mr Sarkozy said on Tuesday. “The conclusion of the Rafale project will illustrate the depth and scope of the strategic partnership between France and India.”

    The decision will be a setback to Eurofighter which had strongly lobbied India to buy its aircraft and considered its bid stronger in terms of performance, security of supply and strategic alignment. It is also a blow for David Cameron, the UK prime minister, and Angela Merkel, the German chancellor, who both lobbied on behalf of Eurofighter.

    The Eurofighter consortium is building the Typhoon for its four main customers: the UK, Germany, Spain and Italy. While Austria and Saudi Arabia also operate the jet, there are at present no other firm export orders for the Typhoon. While Eurofighter had promoted the jet in Malaysia, South Korea and Japan, the Indian contract was its most promising.

    Uday Bhaskar, an Indian defence analyst, said the decision would have a “strong bearing on bilateral relations”.

    Is the IAF getting the M88-2E4?

    in reply to: Breaking news the RAFALE WON #2352567
    Jō Asakura
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    Congratulations to Dassault, team Rafale, and President Sarkozy.Well done!!…good luck with the industrial negotiations- they’ll need it!!……still, might not be the end for Typhoon:

    Press release pre-Rafale victory:

    One of the sources said France’s Rafale jet was the likely winner, adding that the defense ministry was now considering buying another 80 or so jets and could invite bidders excluded from the current process to take part…
    One defense ministry source with knowledge of the negotiations said the life-time cost of the tender including training and maintenance may reach $15 billion.

    Previous estimates put the cost around $11 billion.

    The defense ministry source said each Rafale was $4 million to $5 million cheaper than its rival and the plane was preferred by the Air Force.

    “Unit-wise, the French plane is much cheaper than the Eurofighter. Moreover, the Indian Airforce, which is well-equipped with French fighters, is favoring the French fighter,” said the source, who asked not be named.

    http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/01/31/us-india-defence-idUSTRE80U0A820120131

    France’s junior Trade Minister Pierre Lellouche has informed AFP news agency of Dassault Rafale’s victory.

    in reply to: MMRCA news XI #2352749
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    L1 bidder (hence winner) to be announced “soon”, contract to be signed FY13:

    (Reuters) – India will not sign a multi-billion dollar deal to buy fighter jets before this fiscal year ending in March, the country’s defense minister A.K. Antony told reporters on Tuesday.

    However, New Delhi will “soon” announce the lowest bidder for the contract worth about $11 billion, two defense ministry sources told Reuters separately.

    http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/01/31/us-india-defence-idUSTRE80U0A820120131

    …in separate news, an Indian man dressed in a USAF uniform was arrested @ the Indian MoD press centre after giving a bogus press conference where he claimed MMRCA had been cancelled and the IAF would instead procure the F-35 (with F-16IN deliveries as a stop-gap measure under FMS).
    He later gave his name as ‘quadbike’, the Indian police stressed that at no time was ‘waterboarding’ used in their interrogation. Mug shot to follow…

    in reply to: MMRCA news XI #2353926
    Jō Asakura
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    Well said, Vnomad!! 🙂

    in reply to: Pak-Fa Thread episode 19 #2353928
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    скошенность входа воздухозаборников двигателей в двух плоскостях – относительно вертикальных продольной и поперечной плоскостей самолета, позволяет отражать электромагнитные волны, попадающие на входы воздухозаборников с переднего и боковых ракурсов, в сторону от источника облучения, тем самым, уменьшая общий уровень радиолокационной заметности самолета в этих ракурсах.

    The skew of the entrances of the air-intakes [of the engines’] in two planes- the vertical longitudinal and the transverse , facilitates the reflection of EM waves falling on the air-intake entrances from the front and side elevations- away from the irradiating source, thereby reducing the overall level of radar visibility of the aircraft @ these angles/elevations.

    Imho, the intake design serves two functions, partial LOS blockage of the compressor and EM scattering. The latter would compensate for the T-50 not having the ‘flat bottom’.

    http://img39.imageshack.us/img39/2426/t50314big.jpg

    The engine will receive a purpose-built blocker, but this is not mentioned (as it would be a separate patent probably from the engine manufacturer).

    in reply to: Pak-Fa Thread episode 19 #2354076
    Jō Asakura
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    Please do not be angry with me, but the article named “Sukhoi T-50 / PAK FA – official patent analysis” is on a “knowledge level” of a teenage boy, not very informative at all.

    Agreed. It’s amateur rubbish.

    It would have been better to have simply posted-up an accurate translation or decipher interesting and relevant points of the poor google translate. The document is self-explanatory and, more than anything, gives a glimpse into Russian AF/MoD design requirements & philosophy (and the designers’ response). Whilst not giving away anything too technical, it’s still surprising they declassified it.

    Congratulations to Sukhoi on the 2nd anniversary of the first flight.

    in reply to: Pak-Fa Thread episode 19 #2354465
    Jō Asakura
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    Are you sure? There is an F-22 reference much earlier on, but what I refer to is repeated under [patent] claims (Формула изобретения) point #7:

    7. Самолет по п.1, отличающийся тем, что входы воздухозаборников двигателей выполнены скошенными в двух плоскостях – относительно вертикальных продольной и поперечной плоскостей самолета.

    http://s018.radikal.ru/i504/1201/a9/f5bd53390c67t.jpg

    There is no mention of the ‘ramp’.

    in reply to: Pak-Fa Thread episode 19 #2354825
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    50-1 should return to flight soon as unprecedented resources and will put into this

    I agree, ’52’ & ’53’ appear to be going more or less to plan.
    Of greater concern, imho, would be why ’51’ hasn’t flown since its demonstration to PM Putin @ MAKS. As it’s slated to open up the supersonic flight regime, I wonder if they’ve discovered some structural and/or buffeting problems (?)

    Thanks for your recent plethora of information, including unequivocal and official confirmation of the existence of the so-called ‘banana ducts’.

    скошенность входа воздухозаборников двигателей в двух плоскостях – относительно вертикальных продольной и поперечной плоскостей самолета, позволяет отражать электромагнитные волны

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