Impresssive, I like the 1:300 Halifaxes at dispersal
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Cees
The Firefly section in the Manchester museum surely, from memory, looked superior in appearance to the ebay images.:confused:
Mark
Mark,
Impressive sight.
What happened to the other forward fuselages (and props that were in the same yard). Were these sold for spares to aid air racing in the US. If so, was
this the cache Dave Zeuschel was involved with?
Cees
With the FAAM’s Barracuda DP872 and UAS’s Wildcat JV482 recovered from lough’s just wondering what, if any, aircraft remains are left ?
I recall around the time of JV482’s recovery a photo in Flypast showing a very large chunk of Corsair also. Is it, and any others, still there ?
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This is another example what’s still left at crashsites to recover instead of going off to Russia to buy a container load of scrap aluminium and using a lot of money and effort to reconstruct a Hurricane for example.
At the time I was amazed at what Flypast and Aeroplane published in the early eighties what was still left.
Cees
The G.1 that escaped was – according to most sources – cut up and scrapped but one tailboom ended up in a Dutch museum. Whether this still exists is another question.
As for the question ‘was the G.1 better than…’, that is practically impossible to answer. First you need to define your parameters, is faster better or slower? How important is the turning radius? Etcetera.
Personally I think it was a good multi-role design that could have evolved into a pretty decent early-war type on most fronts. Whether it would have been able to hold its own against the late-war types we’ll never know.
Archer,
Yes, it was indeed dumped and later scrapped or broken up at the Miles site. It is highly unlikely however that one of the tailbooms ended up in a Dutch museum. As you probably know there is one original tailboom which is at the Militair Luchtvaart Museum, Soesterberg. It has been identified as being from a G-1 fitted with Twin Wasp engines. So this rules out the Vos/Leegstra machine. Pity, but we really need a G-1 reconstruction over here. The G-1 project is taking forever. All we have at the moment is a full size model (but a good one).
The G-1 gave a good account of itself but never could prove it’s worth. On the other hand it was already obsolete in comparison with the Messerschmitt which was over 50 mph faster (at least). But, as they say it’s all up to the person flying it.
Cheers
Cees
A museum in the US opened an old container and found a Kawanishi Shiden fighter aircraft in it. It’s now restored and on display. Can’t remember the museum though. It was published in Warbirds Worldwide a decade ago.
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Cees
Box fuselage eh?
How about a Stirling, York, Halifax, Hamilcar.
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Cees
As the construction of the Mosquito’s canopy is mostly of tubular construction, piping of suitable diameter can be welded with the front frame built op to the Mosquito profile using wooden construction.
This should not be seen as a Mosquito fuselage, as this would not do justice to the whole project but should be seen as a worthwhile project in itself. To build something that would represent the thousands of Mosquitoes that were crewed by young men from all corners of the world.
And if somebody thinks that somewhere in the text above is any slagging off hidden, think again.
Cheers
Cees
Hi Cees,
Too many rumours flying about..
Just to the south east of Oslo.
Regards
Ross
Ross,
Well, if this is more than a rumour, perhaps a closer look could yield some results. We cannot have too many Halifaxes. I know, the stumbling block is money as always…
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Cees
I guessed so 😀
The only more info I have is basically what I’ve said already…to go into details; It bellylanded on the frozen lake. Did not seem to break apart in the landing. The inboard left engine had flames coming out of it. Sank quickly,and no Germans ever came to ask about it (or it’s crew) so it has possibly sunk completely undetected. That’s it… 🙁
The lake is fairly big,as can be seen in this photo taken half a mile away from the shore. This is no more than a quarter of it,it might not even be as much as that.
Just to be sure, which lake are we talking about. Not Mjosa are we?
Cees
Cees… I’m now reading the notes… and I’ve written: (translated of course,as I guess you are not proficient in Norwegian 😀 )
“It seemed to have one engine on fire,and it had 4 big round engines”… Radials of a Halifax?:eek:
RF769
Indeed my Norwegian sounds exactly like my swedish and danish (awful that is).
From the MK III on the Halifax had Bristol Hercules XV, XVI and 100 sleeve valve radial engines. So we have here another possible recoverable Halifax?:eek:
Any more information you can get.
Where is Karl Kjarsgaard when you need him:D
Cheers
Cees
Thanks for that Ross,seems it could be something to it. The lake is big,and just about 5 minutes flying time away from the Oslofjord,going east…so it could have been that,if it really happened,they were trying to go as far east (aiming for Sweden) as possible… the lake is big enough to put a plane down even going across it,lengthwise it’s several miles long. You can easily see it on a map to the east of Oslo.
He said it happened in 44,according to my notes. And the old gentleman was sharp as a knife in the mental stakes…his age had not deterred his memory one bit. From what I noted he had not seen anyone come out of it…and it sank through the ice in just a few minutes. But it was at dawns early light,and he would be looking almost against the sun from his angle. And at an approx. distance of half a mile…not easy to see. If someone left the wreck,they would have moved towards the other side of the lake to get to Sweden,too,not towards him. It’s really intriguing.. 😎
Wow,:D 😮
Get it out I say.:cool:
Cees
well does look a little different but would think this was like it is due to cost of molding the perspex, i guess that he may have found a window similar as not everyone has deep pockets. looks good enough to me graham wish he was in my shed!!.
If all the rivit counters put as much time helping out than slagging off other peoples projects, you may get it near perfect. we are not trying to re-invent the wheel again here
Graham and Ace,
Hmmm, I could have expected this, is my English that bad? :dev2: 🙂
I’m not slagging off other peoples projects (read my post carefully).
I know exactly what a Mosquito canopy looks like, as opposed to you I think.
About being a rivet counter. Yes, indeed I am. Recently I counted 15 rivets on either side of upper skin of the throttle controls duct on my Halifax pilots chassis. You yeed to count otherwise it’s not according to drawings:p
Do not turn this into a flaming war. We all have opinions don’t we?
Peace peace:)
Cees
Bruce is right,
If a Mosquito canopy can be found the whole thing is transformed. The current canopy looks like a cartoon.
That doesn’t mean this isn’t a great achievement. It deserves to be completed, only to do justice to the man who started it.
Tried to find pics of Lincoln Nietszche’s (spelling?) mossie fuselage reconstruction but came up nought. But he had the opportunity to find any Mosquito bits apart from the wood (which had rotted away). In Oz and New Zealand there must be more Mosquito bits lurking.
Cheers
Cees
Cees, do you know of any Lancs or Halifaxes that got MIA around the general vincity of Oslo? I’m really curious about the story I was told…
DCK,
That’s the only one regarding Lake Mjosa that I know of. The other Halifax was recovered from Lake Hoklingen. There must be more lakes in Norway containing some nice airframes. Time will tell. A reasonably but restorable Stirling would be the holy grail.
Nobody can deny that!:D
Cees
When I was a kid my dad told me the story of a Messerschmitt 109 somehow crash landing into lake Mjøsa of Norway with the pilot still intact. It’s supposedly in a very deep part of the lake making it almost impossible to bring it up.
What makes me a little bit skeptical is that I do believe my dad said it was shot down by flak or some form of anti air guns from one of the hillsides around the lake. Since its a Me109 this would have to have happened before the Germans rolled thru the area the weeks after the invasion 9th of April. Not even sure the Germans had their 109’s over that shortly after the invasion. Could be an Me110 maybe. Then again, it might nothing.
DCK
Not a 109 or 110 but a Handley Page Halifax with the serialnumber NA337.
It was recovered from over 250 metres from Lake Mjosa and is now almost fully restored in Trenton, Ontario Canada.
Search this forum for more information. Nowadays depth is not the limiting factor (money probably is).
Cheers
Cees