Tried to google “Liberator Ingham Tollerton” and found this Google Earth link with many RAF stations:
http://bbs.keyhole.com/ubb/placemarks/823789-RAFStations.kmz
Is this the same nose as also to be found in one of Bruce Robertsons
Aviation Archeology books?
What happened to this relic.
Cheers
Cees
Reading the various posts it’s obvious to see that the majority of so-called enthusiasts don’t know anything about historic aviation. If they only flock to see a Lancaster, a Hunter and a Vulcan at shows, but don’t know anything about Stirlings, Halifaxes, Swifts and Valiants/Victors then I might start to worry about the future.
It’s all about variety don’t you think? I never go to airshows again because of the same thing over and over again. I like Spits and Lancasters but without variety there is nothing to gain. Joe Public is of course the customer aimed at at shows but collections like the RAF Museum are there to show that not only the generally known aircraft were used. A vistitor would probably fall over backwards with astonishement when they see that a lot more aircraft were used. Only a small percentage of these will probably learn more about the other types to spark off an interest and find out more and perhaps be active in saving historic aircraft. Saving only Vulcans would be only too booooring. A waste of much needed funds to get the tin triangle into the air, which could have used to reconstruct a Stirling or any other important aircraft type. In a few years time the Vulcan will be grounded and then it’s just another static aircraft albeit in very good condtion but at what cost.
Just my two euro’s worth of course.
Cheers
Cees
Thanks very much Mike,
Fantastic pics and also showing some details of things I didn’t have enough info or drawings on.
Deryck,
Do you have drawings of the bombdoor/flaps pedestal? The triangular box on the right of the pilot’s seat.
I cannot find any drawings and Harry Fraser Mitchell has also tried but came up nought. At least some sketches and dimensions will be very helpful.
Cheers
Cees
Yes, Peter, we are talking to Nanton. Nanton suggested that we go to Calgary and get copies of their drawings rather than getting copies of the Nanton set.
We are awaiting the cost from Calgary to copy everything and ship it to us.
Regarding propellors: there were three there today, two fixed pitch wood and one variable pitch with wooden blades, I suspect that it was not from an Anson unless it was a Mk V.
There is just not the enthusiasm to restore an Anson that there was to restore a Halifax! Progress is slow and the number of volunteers is significantly less.
Deryck,
I can understand why, but the Anson is one of the unsung heroes of pilot training. And a very important aircraft type as such. Perhaps they can restore
a Hampden next. Problem is where to find one. Or are there still components to be found in Canada.
Cheers
Cees
looks like it Peter,
Cees
Shame about goxhill and malbis. At goxhill is the graveyard from the base or civilian?? Also has anyone ever thought about going roud the old dispersal pans looking for parts and stuff? I imagine lots to be found with a metal detector and permission:)
Can anyone try to find the Kielder Forest. The crashsite of Halifax DK116 (very substantial that one, at least it was) is located there on private ground.
Perhaps it can be spotted from the air.
Cheers
Cees
Hi,
A list of Gloster Gladiator survivors.
Gladiator
K8042 RAF Museum, Hendon
L8032 Shuttleworth Collection
N5589 Components to Malta, Jet Age Museum and FAA Museum
N5628 RAF Museum, Hendon
N5641 Royal Norwegian Air Force Museum, Bodo
N5643 Armed Forces Museum, Oslo
N5719 Retro Track & Air, Cambridge
N5903 The Fighter Collection
N5914 Jet Age Museum
Fv278 Swedish Air Force MuseumSea Gladiator
N5518 FAA Museum
N5520 MaltaPlus substantial parts recovered from N5628, N5632, N5638, N5647, N5693, N5704, N5705, N5905 and N5907. It would appear that at least 16 ex-263 Squadron Gladiators have been recovered and identified. Have anymore been discovered?
This list was published in that other well known monthly mag AM.
As this list in over 2 years old, does anyone know the progress of some of these rebuilds. Anyone hav ephotos? TFCs Gladiator is well publicised and I’ve seen a photo of N5518s fuselage at the FAA Museum.
Regards,
Alex
Alex,
With the Armed Forces Museum, Oslo, do you mean Gardermoen?
If not, there is a tailsection and a set of wings on display there.
HTH
Cees
Who will make the replacement window panels?
Aircraft Restoration Company perhaps?
Cheers
Cees
Phillip,
Can you also zoom in onto the Kielder Forest?
Cees
I think Dutch based Rob Hilton used to have one.
Rob, where are you?
Cees
John,
I have a big bucket full of AGS pipe couplings I saved over the years from our various digs (not suitable for display as nobody would be interested).
I cannot use them all for the Halifax cockpit, so if you need some let me know what you need.
Cheers
Cees
Wow, what an amazing achievement, next the Kawasaki Tony?
Another type with an Allison engine. After the FW190D and the Yak3/9’s.
Is this engine more plentiful than the Merlin? Where do all those stocks come from?
Cheers
Cees
They also have a Whitely tail turret. That would make a nice early christmas present for Elliott.
Their engine collection has to been seen to believe. Some real gems among them (apart from the Hercules).
Cheers
Cees
For what’s worth,
Does an aircraft have to have had a glorious war record? The fact that an aircraft was designed to an air ministry specification, built and used (either in combat or training) and service men dying in it qualifies it for preservation in any museum collection.
The Brewster Buccaneer recently restored in the US is a good example of this.
The Blackburn Botha was an unsung aircraft type as well but with several hundreds produced and used in training it deserves to be preserved as well.
There are still large section of Botha scattered around the UK’s hillsides. About time to at least preserve them.
Hint hint
Cees
There are SO many issues with rebuilding an aircraft like a Halifax to fly in the UK, and the perceived rewards may not be as great as you envisage.
The big problem from a certification point of view, is availability of drawings, and support from the original manufacturer. I am certain that drawings are in a short supply, and the original manufacturer no longer exists. This is a big problem from the CAA point of view.
To get the support you would need would require a fortune spending (much like the Vulcan) to acquire, and a vast, ongoing amount to keep it going (again, think Vulcan)
I would guess that you would be looking at figures in the order of £25-30m to get a Halifax close to flight. My guess is that I am rather light here! That assumes that you can get the support both from the CAA and some form of design authority support to do it in the first place.
I would like to see a Halifax, Stirling and Wellington carefully and professionally restored in the UK, with minimum loss of original structure and parts. If the right airframes were available (currently they are not), I dont see why it would not be possible. To fly? Not in my lifetime!
Bruce
Couldn’t agree with you more Bruce,
AFAIK the drawings for the Halifax and Hampden are not complete, ruling out a new built aircraft.
I would like to see these aircraft to be airworthy. But if there aren’t even enough static airframes in museums (musea), the chances to see an airworthy aircraft are nil! Let’s face it. A static aircraft is impressive in it’s own right and should (in my opinon) be the set standard.
Let’s make sure that the available airframes/wrecks are properly preserved and restored. The past has shown that airframes still turn up. The problem as always is cost. Who is willing to pay a lot of money for say a Whitley or Hampden, which are not as sexy as a B25 or B26. But, that doesn’t mean that it can’t be done, time will tell.
Cheers
Cees