Is the red and white tail a bit ‘Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade’-ish? To go with the ‘Nazi fighter’ fuselage still in the weeds at Booker?
Miles Martinet, only one is at Reading as far as I am aware.
Whatever they do or don’t do to it someone should at least amend the Movement Card, the last entry still says “Lost”… 🙂
Completely agree about PN323’S nose. The time is right, YAM have, and will continue to have, their Halifax, why not make it more ‘original’? That nose is doing very little at Duxford at the moment.
Having said that, I’d still like to see a decent walk-through again, but personally I think that could be made better and more easily using something bespoke rather than a genuine nose section.
I sit firmly with those ‘thumbs up’ on YAM’s Halifax, they achieved what they set out to do and it has pleased thousands including many veterans. Can’t see a problem, they never said it was anything other than it is anyway.
I think it is a magnificent achievement.
There used to be an armoured Rolls Royce up in the galleries. What happened to it?
The last I heard it was at The RAF Regiment Heritage Centre at RAF Honington.
Thank you Eric and everyone involved, this has been an absolutely superlatively executed operation from the recovery to the memorial.
My most sincere and humble thanks to you all.
Now I could be happy if that came to fruition.
It’s nearly 3/4 of a century since VJ Day, most of the participants are sadly gone and still we cannot access the information to answer questions for, for example, their ageing children many of whom are themselves dying of old age. Exactly what is so sensitive that can justify withholding so much information in bulk. It really does get tiresome taking bits of information here, a fragment there, when so much quality information is held on file. I do wish they’d just be honest and say they haven’t been allocated sufficient budget.
Along with the Casualty Packs, the Home Guard records seem to have returned to the land of buried files.
Will calm down now….
I smiled a lot watching that!
Personally, I’d rather see the He 163 relocate to Cosford than the Ju 88 if airframes are being shuffled.
Nice pictures…
It is interesting to ponder that 50 years on from when the site was chosen at RAF Hendon because it was considered well-situated we now find it being overwhelmed by progress. Go back 60 odd years from that time and the site was chosen for aviation because it was open and semi-rural!
Times change, can’t stop that.
Those running the RAF Museum find themselves now with some difficult choices. Certainly I’m sure we’d all like to see the whole collection together and displayed somewhere with an active runway. But the money simply doesn’t exist for that at present.
The BoB Hall, excellent as it was, was getting tired. I am happy to hold fire and see what transpires from the plans: those responsible I’m sure are well aware of the significance of that 4/5/6/7 (delete to preference to avoid argument) month period in the 100 years of the RAF and it will remain a notably prominent part of the new displays. I love Mitch and Aeronut’s ideas for the rolls of honour, I hope someone reads and takes note.
Space at Hendon is getting more and more squeezed as the service gets older and accumulates more history, more stories and more artifacts. Difficult choices indeed.
Great stuff Tim. :eagerness:
I REALLY don’t want to enter the wider debate here as I know none of the facts, but on the point of the analysis of the bones, if this statement is indeed the case:
in relation to the recovered bones the Egyptian authorities claim they DNA tested them and wrote to the British Embassy to say these tests had proved ‘negative’ in that they were unable to obtain DNA to compare to Dennis’s relatives due to the age of the remains, contamination and their exposure to the sun. However, in the same letter they went on to say that ‘the DNA in all the bones come from the same person…’
This is indeed an odd statement given that it contains the ‘contamination’ caveat which would cause problems for any findings. If I recall correctly the communications from the laboratory appeared to have been reworded by an Egyptian Defence Official as the communication came from him? However, with a degraded sample it is THEORETICALLY possible that you could recover and analyse enough DNA to make a comparison between the samples provided that suitable markers in each could be identified i.e. fragments of DNA from each sample provided consistent overlap in sequences isolated. At the same time, suitable markers to cross match with DNA sequences that the relatives might share might not have been recovered amongst the fragments, so a match could not be made. With samples from the same person you have all of their DNA complement to potentially match (or find no inconsistencies), with relatives, you are looking at a much smaller fraction of the genome to match in the first place.
Anyhow, I have no idea who, if anyone, did the testing or what they may or may not have recovered nor what they tested for.
Bruce, the point I’m trying to make, albeit badly, is that the letter from the Military Attache Branch states that they were unable to establish nationality by DNA testing. It would be utterly remarkable if they could! My point is that potentially you could establish that the bones were of ‘European ancestry’, but in the context of the Desert War and the 20th century, that wouldn’t get you much further but it is indeed in itself useful information in that it doesn’t mean the bones weren’t potentially Dennis Copping’s. But it appears that they didn’t even get that far. To state in the letter that they could not establish that the bones were ‘European’ would be appear to me to be a more accurate interpretation of any information passed to the Attache by a testing lab. Again, why would you not just copy their overall conclusion verbatim rather than try to interpret it? Maybe it’s just a very casually worded letter that was completed as an obligation to try to put the matter to rest? Obviously we aren’t going to find out what extraction methods and techniques/conditions they attempted, what markers they planned to look at, we won’t find out who attempted them either or whether any other lab was given the opportunity to try. All I have to go on is the wording of the letter and it appears strange to me.
The wording of the letter from the Military Attache Liaison Branch is rather odd in terms of its scientific precision. One would normally assume that a statement from a reputable testing laboratory would be repeated verbatim anyway.
Unable to establish the nationality of the body through DNA typing of bones samples? When looking at a European Caucasian? What questions are they asking?