That was a real kurwa post martinez. 😀
If there had been no Lavi there would be no J-10. Deal with it.
From bharat-rak. forums credited to Paul Overscan(?),
Aviation International News, Tuesday Issue Farnborough 2006
the Russian SIBNIA institute (who were intimately involved in developing the T-10M definitive version of the Su-27, the Su-33 and Su-34) have been assisting both Shenyang and Chengdu.
Their involvement with China stemmed initially from
helping the Chinese to understand how their Su-27s actually performed and how Chinese industry could improve in its efforts to license assemble and support these aircraft. But SibNIA found itself acting as an instructor and scientific “guide” in helping the Chinese understand how to design aa new aircraft from the bottom up.
According to SibNIA, the J-10 is a melting pot of foreign technology and acquired design methods. “The aircraft is more or less a version of the Lavi”, say those Russian designers who have worked with the Chinese on this program, “but there are a number of other pieces of other aircraft that are part of the configuration that they have acquired from different sources”. Those who have observed the process of the J-10’s design also stress that the Chinese not only needed help in acquiring the building blocks of hte aircraft, they also needed assistance to synthesise all the elements they had acquired ito a cohesive design
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What happened to the pilot>?
He said the most advanced F 16 in NATO, not the most advanced fighter in NATO. If the Polish F 16 are similar with Greek ones, he might be right.
Aurcov,
Do you know the detection/ tracking range for the APG 68 V(9) radar? How many targets can it TWS?
Old but interesting
http://www.india-defence.com/reports/2474
Air Force develops mobile communication unit for disaster management
Dated 8/9/2006
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In a major step forward, the Indian Air Force (IAF) has developed a two-vehicle mobile communications unit that can be rushed to the site of a natural disaster spot to coordinate relief operations.‘To carry out proper relief operations, it is important that fast and reliable communication is established between the various agencies rendering assistance at the disaster site. Unfortunately, communications usually fail in the wake of a disaster. We have thus fabricated this mobile unit,’ Group Captain S.C. Luthra of the Air Force Communications Centre (AFCC) told reporters Friday.
Mounted on two Maruti Gypsy vehicles, the disaster management communication (DMC) unit is equipped with high frequency, very high frequency, and ultra high frequency ground-to-air communications sets, personal communications sets and an INMARSAT satellite phone.
One of the vehicles is despatched to the disaster site and the other to the closest air base. In case the disaster site is inaccessible, the vehicles can be airlifted on an AN-32 transport aircraft or a MI-17 helicopter.
‘The set-up can be quickly activated to facilitate multiple communications requirements at a disaster site with both ground stations and aircraft flying in relief goods and personnel,’ explained Luthra, whose AFCC is responsible for operating the DMC units.
‘Thus far, we have fabricated two units to validate their usefulness and will be commissioning a few more,’ he said.
The AFCC, which celebrates its 60th anniversary this year, is the nodal agency for providing voice and data communications facilities to Air Headquarters and is generally the first to be called upon whenever emergencies like natural disasters occur. The unit provided communications facilities in the wake of the Gujarat earthquake and during floods in Orissa.
After the Dec 26, 2004 killer tsunami, the AFCC provided satellite communications at the Andaman and Nicobar Islands on the same day when all other assets were destroyed.
‘With each passing year, the unit has progressed in all spheres. It has always remained in the forefront in fulfilling the communications needs of the technology-intensive IAF,’ Luthra said.
This can also serve as a comms unit for a forward deployed AF unit.
IAF promoting airmen to officers
Nitin Gokhale
Sunday, September 17, 2006 (Air Force Academy, Dundigal):
One of the defining features of the Indian Armed forces is that officers literally lead from the front, right out there on the frontlines taking the brunt of the enemy attack.
The underlying philosophy is that when push comes to shove, there is no difference between a jawan and an officer.
But there are other examples where the gap between officers and soldiers continues to be bridged.
Five years ago all Rahul Panjiar was aiming for was a job. That would move him out of Bihar’s backward Vaishali district where his parents struggled to make a living.
When he was selected as an airman in the Indian Air Force in 2001, he was overjoyed.
Today, at the prestigious Air Force Academy, Rahul is literally aiming for the sky as he trains to become a commissioned officer and a pilot.
“Once I joined the Air Force as an airman, I came to know the hierarchy and realised how much an officer is respected.
“So with the encouragement of my commandant, I appeared for the NDA entrance exam, got through and after three years in NDA, here I am,” said Flight Cadet Rahul Panjiar, IAF.
Quantum jump
But Rahul is not alone in making this quantum jump.
Flight cadet Hariprasad, like Rahul, also joined the Air Force as an airman, working as a fitter on the team that serviced AN-32 aircraft.
After spending eight years in the lower ranks, Hariprasad too is now on the verge of becoming an officer.
Ex-airman Rohit Mukhopadhya’s case is even more amazing. For 18 years, working as an airman, Rohit steadfastly nursed a dream to become an officer.
Now having passed a department exam to qualify for a commission in the Air Force, he competes and works with colleagues half his age to realise that long-held ambition.
By July 2007, he will be a commissioned officer of the Indian Air Force.
“I always wanted to become an air force officer but 18 years ago, circumstances did not allow me to do so.
“It is because of the Air Force that I am now in a position to become one after so many years,” said Flight Cadet Rohit Mukhopadhya, IAF.
Official encouragementWelcome to the new age Indian Air Force. In its 75th year of existence, more and more young men and women from rural, underprivileged backgrounds are now becoming officers.
A combination of official encouragement and steely determination of the new recruits has fuelled this trend.
Till a decade ago, this churning would have been unthinkable in the Indian Air Force, considered somewhat elitist among the three armed forces.
Hariprasad is a typical example. He joined the air force straight after graduating but kept acquiring new skills along the way.
“Ever since I joined the Air Force, it has consistently given me opportunities to upgrade myself. As a logistics officer, I hope to play a totally supportive but important role,” he said.
At the Air Force Academy, Rahul, Hariprasad and Rohit do not get any special treatment.
All three are like the other 300-odd cadets who join the academy every year to hone their skills in different functional branches like flying, navigation, logistics and maintenance.
Equal treatment
From humble beginnings in backward India to the elite academy, Rahul Panjiar and other ex-airmen like him have come a long way but for them the long journey to become Air Force officers has only just begun.
Although for the outside world, fighter pilots are the glamour boys of the air force, within the force every branch gets equal treatment.
It is also reflected in the way the training is scheduled at the academy.
Each new recruit, even those who will eventually become ground duty officers, is called flight cadet till he or she passes out.
Flying branch recruits are required to go through certain number of ground duty training classes. All of them stay, eat and play together.
Although women flight cadets have separate living quarters, they do not get any other special treatment. They have to go through the same physical conditioning as the men.
The idea, the training staff says, is to create a cohesive force.
To have people like Hariprasad, Rohit and Rahul helps in the ultimate objective of making tough and skillful air force officers out of men and women who join this elite institution.
[QUOTE=timmy]Nick_76
“Timmy
Please define the term “state of the art”.
Its a much abused term.”
Nick, kindly stop acting like a milk-drinking baby. This is not a thread about some illiterate strategic papers or to rectify the success and faliure’s of PAK/CHINA projects. This is a PAF discussion thread. You can go to http://www.askjeeves.com or http://www.dictionary.com to check the meaning ‘state of the art’.
Ah, here we go again. That post of your certainly qualified as an unqualified rant, when asked a simple polite question.
Just for the record, the Al Khalid is an useful Medium battle tank, but calling it state of the art is hyperbole.
To take a few design points-
It has no ammunition separation from ammunition in blast off modules for its crew. It continues to store its ammo within the turret & hull. Continues to use an obsolete autoloader with limitations on overall round length. Etc etc.
It usually serves to know the meaning of a word or term (from dictionary.com or askjeeves.com) before using it.
Vikas, sorry to be nitpicky but avionics are on planes/ choppers. Tanks have vetronics.
Ink said it all!
You guys do realize that there is about a 1 in a million chance that all your posts wont dissapear within the next 24 hours.;)
just keep that in mind before you guys take a lot of time to respond in this manner:)
Sure, but its occasionally worth replying to knock some sense into some little bigots head who tries to spray as much mud & sewage as possible when he cannot talk anything related to the industry in specific. Disgusting.
http://www.dawn.com/2006/05/22/ebr1.htm
Economy — a reality check
By M. Ziauddin
Poverty: During the last drought cycle and when the government was still focusing on reducing the budgetary deficit by tightening the leash on expenditure under pressure from the IMF, almost 35 per cent of the population had fallen below the poverty line.
In the interim period following the injection of massive concessional assistance from outside, there has been a statistical improvement of five per cent or so in the situation. Still the level of poverty continues to hover around 30 per cent and not 25 per cent as has been claimed by the government in recent weeks.
The reason for this discrepancy is the government’s own attempts at fudging the poverty figures. It had used a figure of 32 per cent for the base year (2001) instead of the actual 35 per cent and now therefore it is forced to come up with an unrealistic figure of 25 per cent.
An exaggerated estimate of livestock population has also been used by this government year after year to window dress its overall growth figures, which it is likely to repeat again this year as the agriculture sector is likely to show a growth rate of no more than zero per cent.
Poverty has been variously defined. But those who do not have any landed asset, lack education (knowledge) and no access to the other assets do remain perpetually poor. In Pakistan, at least about 80 per cent of the population falls into this category.
So, no matter what you do to lessen poverty, you simply cannot succeed if you do not do realistic land reforms, promote the culture of lawful housing mortgage system, provide universal primary education to your population and disarm the warlords.
Pakistan spends far less than its South Asian neighbours on education do. Its annual education budget is only 2.3 per cent of the GDP while most low income countries spend on an average about 3.4 per cent.
Trade and current account deficits: And there is also the challenge of expanding trade and current account deficit which the budget makers will be facing this year. The exporters have made the most of the all the market access that we have so far received from the rich countries by way of a pay-off for joining them in the war against terror. And in the process, they have also exhausted all the idle manufacturing capacity. Now, in order to increase exports further, they would need to install new capacities and also find new markets.
But there is no sign of such a thing happening. And the expanding trade gap is being presently attempted to be covered by the using the $5 billion or so annual flows of remittances and the proceeds from privatisation. And what would happen once all the family silver is sold?
Luxury imports: There is certainly a lot of room to bring imports under control. But the appetite of the rich for expensive consumerism seems to have become inexhaustible and since they belong to the ruling elite who make economic policies, there is hardly any possibility of curbing expensive imports, especially of costly cars and fancy cell phones.
Shockingly, a number of plans are on anvil to ‘set up’ manufacturing units of new models of cars like Renault, Chrysler Daimler and Black Cabs etc.
But all of these brands are likely to be imported in assembled form or knocked down condition (CKDs of any model can be assembled in the available facilities that can be rented at economic rates) for at least three years on the plea that it would take as many years to put up a requisite plant.
And for setting up these plants, the well-connected sponsors are being allotted huge plots of land (at least about ten times more in size than the actual requirement) at throwaway prices. This is called foreign investment.
Hmmm….loads of stuff about Pakistan & its excellent links to terrors are us waiting.
See thats the problem with dealing with these gits.
If one points out the basic facts – that country A has a better & more substantial Mil Industrial complex than country B. These fellers will come with- “Country A, your mama is so fat that…” :rolleyes:
They will come up with & use anything to sidetrack the issue. Am kind of surprised really that they didnt think of trying to find out how many children got assaulted by perverts or some such thing, and trying to use it as a means of diverting the topic. See the **** comment for instance, some people still use primitive sanitary facilities in rural areas which are to be cleaned manually- Gandhi himself led a drive for everyone to dispose of their own waste & the number of folks who do it today is miniscule. But hey, see that beautiful spin- 2/3rds of Indians who belong to low castes do this. I mean frankly, can one spell propoganda?
As regards the AIDs situation in Pakistan or for that matter, any data out of Pakistan, please take a bag of salt with you. Their own papers are full of complaints about cooked up economic KPI’s to “compare well” with rival India. You can only imagine how the situation is elsewhere.
PM me if you wish- no desire to sidetrack this topic, but the figures are telling.
I make no bones about the issue that India, like other developing countries has problems- but the key thing of being a messy, raucous democracy is that everythings in the open, a negative when you have these folks trying to use it for cheap debating points but a much much bigger positive when you see how important a free media is in making sure a Billion point three strong nation is administered and the bureaucracy does move. This volunteer site catalogues some of the thousands of small things and not so small things that occur with Govt help, despite Govt help and without Govt help
But that matters not to slime who use the deaths of people to score political points.
So I wonder when the issue of child killing axe murderers who are zombies in India will come up when someone points out to these complete imbeciles that despite all their wet dreams both India & China have a much stronger industrial base across ALL sectors than beloved Pakistan.
Plus the ironic thing is that a country can have absolutely low social indices or whatever, yet a decent military industry- I would suggest Pakistans ability to license manufacture Chinese and North Korean military equipment as exactly that. And if we care to recollect, even with apartheid and significant schisms, South Africa had a top notch arms development program.
Which goes to show, this entire – your people are dying in Bha Rat, ha ha ha, shows what Packard & co are really thinking, apart from how flawed their logic is.
I fully expect them to come forward & know claim with false piety about how they meant it in another way, but looking through the thread- this is one of several times, he has resorted to this, and goes to show the fact that there are really no credible arguements against the comparative disparity in MilInd sectors.
Its like me saying that since GAO and POGO rubbish the F-22, that means the F-22 is junk. Oh of course, Rodney King got beaten up, dintcha know? And Bush doesnt care about black people in Hurricane Katrina. Yada yada yada. Make it up as you go along. Mind you, I will have to mock some deaths of 80 year olds as well to meet the proper standards. :rolleyes:
Thats the Mission planning and data retrieval Unit (MPRU) with data loaded to and from a removeable cartridge. Its there on the Bison and the Tejas will have it. The other upgrades do not make a mention, but should have it.
Come to think of it, wasnt this developed for the LCA & then adopted for the Bison program?
Am fairly sure that the MiG-27s and Jaguars too have it.
Ok I posted this, before the jokers intervened:
Some of DRDO’s avionics products
The Core Avionics computer is interesting. Instead of a single processor running all functions, they went for a federated approach relying on multiple high speed RISC processors (486 DX4’s probably from Intel) to run the Weapons delivery/ nav processing, others for MFD output, and HUD output as well as other microcontrollers for the Bus. The design is derived from the Mission Computer and the Display processors developed for the MKI, and they have recombined the separate functionalities into one ATR unit.
This was very interesting- “Mission planning workstation and field data
loader”. Presumably for the new Jaguar and MiG-27 upgrades.From the engineering point of view- – KADECU: Digital electronic control unit for engine for the Kaveri engine, The unit has been successfully tested after being mounted on the engine at 125 ambient. FADEC units have to be extremely rugged given their operating temperature and vibration/ shock issues, developing this must have been a pain.
They appear to be leery of revealing their newer projects- googling shows some EW pods, jammers, newer RWRs and Open Architecture computers. The specs for the Radar processor are also left out, perhaps deliberately.
Perhaps Harry can comment on the newer projects?
I found this picture of the MKIs radar computers by Harry
http://forum.keypublishing.co.uk/at…achmentid=85816
Multiple processors per “computer” and one of the LRUs appears to have two slots free..with each DX4 at approximately 70 MIPS thats pretty good performance.
Nice work, any plan to replace this with even more powerful units?
And Harry replied:
Thats the Mission planning and data retrieval Unit (MPRU) with data loaded to and from a removeable cartridge. Its there on the Bison and the Tejas will have it. The other upgrades do not make a mention, but should have it.
The follow on to the CAC will be a ‘wide open’ CPCI based computer with additional modules for DMG and Voice recognition. With a ‘smart’ MFD like the MFD-66S, you can also throw out the monochrome and color SGU modules.
Don’t know why they just dont standardise the Tejas OAC?
Well couldnt they be one & the same?
The specs for the Power PC based OAC for the LCA says- (from the horribly slow ADA site)-
“PowerPC / VME64 based core computer combining Mission Computer (MC), Display Processor (DP) and Video Switching Unit (VSU) functionality
PMC (PCI Mezzanine Card) based MIL-STD-1553B, RS422, raster and cursive video graphics modules.
Computational power : 20 MFLOPS
Graphics throughput : 60 M pixels per second “
Seems pretty similar in overall purpose & intent to me! Albeit one is claimed to use VME 64, the others CPCI.
But if they are different, I can tell you why (my best guess).
Fair use & all that..
World News & Analysis
MiG Pushes Ahead With Light Fighter
Aviation Week & Space Technology
09/11/2006, page 34Douglas Barrie
LondonRussian air force recognizes Sukhoi T-50 design alone will not meet future fighter needs
Printed headline: Generation Gap
Russian combat aircraft manufacturer MiG could have a prototype of a lightweight fifth-generation fighter ready as soon as 2010, building on classified design work it has been carrying out for several years.
The MiG design, sometimes known within the company as the Light Multifunction Frontal Aircraft (LMFS), is to provide a successor aircraft in the class of the MiG-29 Fulcrum.
Russian air force chief Vladimir Mikhailov confirms the service now intends to pursue two designs, rather than a single, to meet next-generation fighter needs. Sukhoi was initially selected to develop the T-50 as the air force’s future fighter. This aircraft, however, is a heavy fighter in the class of the Sukhoi Su-27 Flanker. Mikhailov is quoted in the Russian press as saying MiG will develop a light-fighter to complement the Sukhoi design.
THE SHIFT TO FAVOR a two-tier approach to future fighter procurement reflects a victory for senior management at MiG. Company executives have been lobbying the air force to promote this strategy for several years. “People are beginning to understand the need for a second type of fighter,” one senior MiG executive told Aviation Week & Space Technology.
Russian air force “endorsement” will also help MiG in the export arena. Both MiG and Sukhoi have already briefed India on their respective fifth-generation fighter programs. New Delhi, however, is unlikely to opt for a Russian aircraft that is not–at least tacitly–supported by the military in Moscow.
MiG had originally been the incumbent designer to provide a successor to the Su-27, with the 1.42 Multi-role Frontal Fighter (MFI). Conceived in the latter years of the Cold War, one prototype of the 30-ton fighter was to be completed before cancellation in 1997.
MiG is working on a fifth-generation design in the same weight class as its MiG-29 Fulcrum, which the company is also continuing to upgrade. Credit: MiG
The collapse of the MFI program eventually turned MiG’s attention to a direct Fulcrum replacement, though until comparatively recently the company’s precarious finances were not able to support a full-scale development program. As far as LMFS is concerned, MiG has yet to receive any state support.
One company official says all work so far on the light fifth-generation fighter is being financed from its own funds.
Various configurations have been wind-tunnel tested. A company source suggests it is settling on a twin-engine design, with a dry weight of around 10 tons. The design includes thrust vector control, along with a “big wing” to increase maneuverability. Inward and outward canted fin variants of the basic design have also been examined, as has a tail-less configuration. A prototype, he suggests, could be completed within 30 months, with adequate funding. Engine manufacturer Klimov submitted a proposal for an engine for the LMFS earlier this year.
Many of the avionics and weapons systems in development for the T-50, or the PAK FA, as it is sometimes referred to, will also be applicable to MiG’s light fighter.
In terms of air-to-air armament, Vympel, now part of Russia’s Tactical Missile Corp., is working on upgrades of presently fielded weapons, as well as successor designs. Gennady Sokolovsky, Vympel’s general director until recently, revealed some of its plans at a conference in Moscow earlier this year. Sokolovsky appears to have revealed more than either the Russian Defense Ministry or Vympel intended because company officials remain reticent to discuss several of the program designations Sokolovsky detailed.
THE COMPANY IS WORKING on a new short-range air-to-air missile, referred to as K-MD and Izdeliye (Item) 300. This program likely corresponds to the K-30 designation. This weapon is to enter service in the first half of the next decade. Further development of the R-73 design continues–likely as a stopgap, and also for export.
Vympel is working on a substantial upgrade of its R-77 (AA-12 Adder) radar-guided air-to-air missile, likely in line with the Izdeliye 180/K-77M designations. This may see the missile’s signature lattice control fins replaced by conventional surfaces. Range will also be increased, and an upgraded radar seeker and improved electronic countermeasures will be included.
The Russian air force has only a limited stock of the basic R-77, likely drawn from production runs of the export version of the missile, known as RVV-AE.
While the Izdeliye 300 and the Izdeliye 180 will be applicable to the LMFS, the third class of AAM alluded to by Sokolovksy will be limited to the PAK FA, and possibly the MiG-31 Foxhound. Izdeliye 810 is a long-range AAM in the class of the R-33/K-37 (AA-9 Amos/AA-X-13).
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