overall, how has the MKI program been going along? With all these reports of issues between India and Russian defense industry.. has the MKI program went with out incident? Has paying a large part of R&D to allow the MKI to use a variety of foreign components worth it in the end?

its going along, and the iaf is pretty happy with it. the only issue b/w russia and india was over the cost escalation for the follow on mki order and the initial kits for the phase 1,2,3 production. last phase is to be from local materials. the cost issue been settled.

the open architecture is essential to the iaf, they are now integrating israeli reccon gear with the mki, to the local astra missile

eg:

Astra missile to be fitted on Su-30MKI

8 Nov 2007

BANGALORE: In what is perceived to be a significant boost to India’s air dominance, the indigenously designed and developed Astra beyond visual range air-to-air missile (BVRAAM) is to be test-fired from the Indian Air Force’s (IAF’s) most lethal airborne platform, the Su-30MKI long-range multi-role fighter.

Part of India’s Integrated Guided Missile Development Programme that was developed by a team of defence laboratories led by the Hyderabad-based Defence Research and Development Laboratory, the Astra BVRAAM has the ability to evade radar and hit targets up to a range of 80 km. Astra was successfully test fired first in May 2003 from the Chandipur (Orissa) Interim Test Range (ITR). The IAF’s Bangalore-based Software Development Institute (SDI) has received the indigenously manufactured Su-30MKI systems integration rig which will simulate the aircraft’s equipment hardware and software. The SDI will implement requisite changes to the rig’s software and integrate it with the hardware. They will then test the Astra missile using the systems integration rig. The on ground simulated tests are expected to be over by December.

Once simulated tests are successful the integration of the Astra on to the Su-30MKI’s wing will be undertaken at the Bangalore located Aircraft Systems and Testing Establishment (ASTE). The IAF will attach a Su-30MKI to the ASTE for this purpose.

Sources told The Hindu that initially the aircraft will only undertake dummy or carrier trials, carrying a missile which has not been electrically or electronically ‘connected’ to the on-board systems. Once successful the missile will be “connected” to the aircraft’s on-board systems and test-fired at the ITR range.

if not for the open architecture and indian ownership of customization and modification like above, india wouldnt be able to integrate its own weapons, third party systems on the mki.

which is essential, since the mki is being used for everything from air superiority to peeking inside china

http://www.expressindia.com/latest-news/With-MiG-25s-gone-Sukhois-to-become-eye-in-the-sky/222859/

With MiG 25’s gone, Sukhois to become eye in the sky
Sunday , September 30, 2007

The Indian Air Force (IAF) would soon be getting new snooping capabilities along the eastern border with a squadron of Su-30 MKI fighters being prepared for special reconnaissance missions.

A year after the mighty MiG-25 spy planes were phased out of service at the Bareilly airbase, the latest fighters in IAF’s inventory are being fitted with Israeli reconnaissance systems that will help them look more than 300 km inside Chinese territory without crossing the border.

A team of experts from Israel Aerospace Industries (IAI) will shortly visit the airbase to integrate the Elta Reconnaissance System on the fighters and help set up a ground receiving station to collect live images being taken by the aircraft, a senior IAF officer confirmed.

“With the MiG-25’s gone, there was a gap in surveillance capabilities. The (Bareilly-based) 24 Squadron has now been tasked with reconnaissance duties and will shortly be fitted with recon pods,” the officer said, adding that reconnaissance will be just one of the many roles tasked to the squadron.

The new systems being fitted on the aircraft will enable them to map out the enemy territory at a rate of 50,000 sq km per hour and send back live images to the airbase for interpretation.

A state-of-the-art receiving station to process the images will also be set up at Bareilly, which is being developed as a hub for the Su-30 MKI fighters on the eastern front. While the airbase already houses a squadron of the latest Phase III version of the fighters, another squadron is currently being raised for deployment along the eastern border.

“Bareilly is strategically located and we are converting it into a hub for Su-30 MKI fighters. Another squadron, No 8 The Pursuits, is being re-equipped with the fighters and will also be based here,” Group Captain PV Gadgil, Chief Operations Officer of the airbase, told The Indian Express.

Other than the data receiving stations, a world class avionics lab has been established at the airbase for second line repair and inspection of equipment on board the aircraft. “The largest fighter aircraft hangar in the country is coming up at the base where eight Sukhois can be serviced at the same time. A service support centre to maintain the aircraft is also being constructed,” said Group Captain Rajiv Gandhotra, Chief Engineering Officer (CEO) of the base.

The IAF is looking at deploying the aircraft at the Tezpur airbase next year once sufficient numbers of the fighters arrive from Russia.

older report from last year:

Wednesday November 29, 2006 07:50 PM
New Delhi, Nov 29 (ANI): Denying reports that the Government was planning to wind up the “Trishul” missile project, Defence Minister A K Antony today informed the Rajya Sabha that the “development of the project has been completed”. “Air Force configuration has met the user requirements during its various developmental flight trials. DRDO is in dialogue with Air Force for possible induction after jointly developing the user trial criteria.

http://in.news.yahoo.com/061129/139/69u8i.html

http://www2.irna.com/en/news/view/line-16/0712276197144335.htm

“Trials of Akash missile have gone pretty well. We will get a squadron of these missiles, comprising 16 launchers which would be inducted into the force,” Air Chief Fali Homi Major told newsperson on the sidelines of a function in New Delhi on Wednesday

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So you’ve got Jackie Chan in an empty warehouse at night with the lights off shining a flashlight around and you’re up on a balcony with a sniper rifle and night vision goggles. Who would you rather be? :p

if you have seen any jackie chan movies, you’d obviously know that as the sniper fires, jackie would do a double back flip and knock the sniper out of the building, whilst managing to look silly and acrobatic at the same time. 😀
even the jsf cant win against jackie. 😀

yup, all 5 (or was it 6?) tests were successful.

so 16 launchers ordered.

somebody on brf said iaf has a habit of ordering in 9’s. so 9 akash squadrons, 9 barak-ng squadrons, and 9 aad squadrons.
that logic is as good as any other i suppose?:D

I think the Russians have realised that anything they sell to the Chinese is likely to be copied with no royalties paid. It is very likely that the Chinese will simply be used for cash sales of technology the Russians don’t mind spreading.

hope so.

The development is done. Now it is testing and perfecting… and of course adapting to ones own requirements. Pretty sure that with the tight deadlines set out for the first flight and service entry that the Russian PAK-FA will largely be a Russian PAK-FA.

sorry, the development is not done. which is why a team is in delhi negotiating the final state.

It is an investment. If India doesn’t want to invest and develop its aerospace industry then they don’t have to.

india can invest in a lot of things for that amount of money. whether the pak-fa is worthwhile proposition is what time will tell.

Twin engined by choice or because no obvious single engine would be powerful enough?

by choice. while power does play a role of course since this will be a larger aircraft. another issue is of survivability.

I doubt they will alter the basic design as that will be optimised for stealth already. Likely tweeks and changes will be to correct problems, not pander to whims.

the indian air forces requirements amay be unobtainium at times but most times they have a reason for what they ask for. the basic design is not just external shaping, it also includes what the pak-fa will have inside and what it should be capable of.

Yes, it is. There were complaints that Indian money for codevelopment was too late to have an impact on the final aircraft.

those claims are wrong. the original indian audit reports on the subject if you can get them clearly point out how involved the development was, and how india financed the mki despite not getting its initial requirements met, as an article of faith.

I would suggest that a stealth design has its physical shape set in stone more than the physical design of the Flanker, but everything else is probably up for discussion.

the physical shape is also evolving, the aim is to use the flight tests to validate the basic design and change/ modify it.

The Su-30MKI deal on the other hand basically had the Su-30M airframe to deal with. In other words the PAK-FA deal is still an Indian modification deal but Indian input is at the prototype stage rather than the Su-30M stage.

agree.

This has nothing to to with the thread or this forum. But just for the record:

then why post it?

No. there was mass migration during partition both ways. What matters is how the minoroties now. There are annual and regular killings of chritstians and muslims by hindu fanatics in india. The prefered method of killing? Burning anyone who believes in one God alive. Including priests. And india is an exception in that it is the only country which regularly elects religious fanatics to government so that the killings can continue.
Wasnt the hitler loving and muslim burning Modi just reelected for the 4th time? While there are fanatics in every religion, it is only in india they have mass support AND win elections.

what absolute rubbish. pakistan has exterminated all other religions from its territory in practical terms, its overrun with its own creations, the taliban, and you talk of india. while there have been instances of religious violence in india, they pale before pakistan.

in india, even those elected on a partial religious platform are in no way comparable to pakistani politicians, like nawaz sharief and bhutto! why ahmediya muslims are even persecuted and called heretics in pakistan. one cant even be a muslim in pakistan without being attacked by other muslims who say “aha, you are not a true muslim”

and modi doesnt love hitler, and as regards muslim burning he has burnt far fewer muslims than musharraf has, if one goes by track record alone. after all, wasnt musharraf responsible for attack after attack on fellow muslims!

in other words, your comments are the typical propoganda one has come to hear from pak. US elects republicans…ooh bad bad. India elects the BJP..ooh bad bad. France elects Sarkozy…ooh bad bad.

Pakistan? good, good…everything is fine, its the bees knees man. lol, what rubbish.

And this coming from BJP that is going around passing anti-conversion laws which are used against missionaries and minorities in india:

http://www.onenewsnow.com/2007/05/anticonversion_law_proposed_in.php

as compared to pak, where one gets assasinated if one even attempts to leave islam.

its high time you learnt some of the facts in india. hinduism doesnt believe in conversion, whereas religions like islam do (which is why you have the frequent braggadacio about fastest growing religion etc). given that, and the communal problems caused by evangelical proselytisation by a loony fringe, both bjp and congress have passed strictures against organized conversion attempts in their respective states. and the law applies to all religions.

under federal law, they have the right to do so. but the supreme court can intervene if they go overboard and rap them.

nor is india the only country to have such laws/issues pop up. even malaysia has similar issues and is facing a challenge in meeting public demand vs equitable law.

but lets look at pakistan! anyone who converts from islam is given flowers and roses, i bet.

and the forced conversion problem- wow!

http://www.asianews.it/index.php?l=en&art=10174&geo=2&theme=5&size=A
http://fjordman.blogspot.com/2005/11/pakistan-hindu-girls-forced-to-convert.html

and the above is an underestimate by all means.

Why dont you tell us how many hindus have been killed by non-hindus during the riots and how many non-hindus have been killed by hindus? You can start with the gujrat riots.

some 790 muslims and 250 hindus were killed in the riots. both by rioters and the consequent govt crackdown.

No no one across the world. except the hindu fanatics, believe that it was the muslims who started the riots in which they themselves were burned alive.

typical. anyone who doesnt believe in islamist propoganda is automatically a hindu fanatic. let me restate it, in terms that someone of your intellectual caliber understands: only muslim fanatics like to avoid complicity in such events. funny, its the typical excuse trotted out by muslim radicals to avoid complicity- “mossad did 9/11”, “london bombings were done by british intelligence”, no muslims started the riots. grow up, and at least learn to admit that islam does have problems with non Muslims worldwide.
there are russian groups who claim beslan was carried out by the russian govt as well. sure, there are people like you on islamist websites who support that idea.
the sad part is that even the so called moderates, like you, will never hold their correligionists accountable. you will deny, prevaricate, …but never admit..

You dont believe your own govt, nor do you believe international organizations/ Yet you are willing to believe the hindu fanatical version.!!

what utter nonsense. i was in india at the time and saw the riots first hand. muslims attacked the train, burnt people alive and started the riots and it was well known and still is. the so called govt report which you were tomtomming is laughed at in india by most people because it was a political piece of tomfoolery done by the UPA govt at the center as a hatchet job against their rivals in the state govt from the BJP, and as for the rest, give me a break. you of course will be unwilling to admit that muslims were in anyway responsible, but thats to be expected. introspection is as alien to you, as it was to those who did these things.

are you even for real? have you even been to gujarat or passed through godhra? as far back as 93, people were warned about godhra and how fanatical the locals were. sheesh, you of course know zero about the issue or the deeper malaise of how badly the godhra muslim community had been influenced by the tableeghi jamaat, the fanatical “return to basics” movement that has had a particularly widefollowing in gujarat.

And here in lies the difference. India is the only country where even the educated support fanatical killers like the BJP. That is the biggest danger to peace and will continue to lead india down the path of hate and killings.

one can only laugh at the manner in which you pontificate given the actual reality. i am sure in the ideal world that you live in, muslims are made of butter and cream and come with sugar on top. grow up. they are as bloody and murderous as any other group and it is their antics which have led to the present situation. i am an indian and i know what my fellow indians did- which include your muslims, as innocent as they must be to you, because after all they are muslim!

the bjp is the current choice of hate for you pakistanis as bush is, and the US is..but thats ok. we really dont give a damn.

educated people like you support a thug like musharraf, dont condemn the ethnocide being conducted against the hapless baloch, the constant attacks in india being conducted under the name of islam, and on top of it, you want indians to turn the other cheek and get angry when they elect a party of their choice. but thats to be expected isnt it? its what we, the non muslim world have come to expect out of the so called muslim world- the total lack of introspection, the constant whining, the belief in that somehow muslims are always persecuted against and do no wrong…the attacks across state borders in the name of islam, its all justified!

as regards fanatics and killers, just google- the world knows the relative worth of the two nations, one is a democracy, the other isnt, and one is an investment destination, the other has become a cesspool of junta, terrorism and exporting terror.

Just cause the hindu fanatics say the muslims started the fire, you are willing to reject your own govts findings?
Even if one assumes for the sake of argument that the muslims started the fire, how does that justify killing 2000 innocent muslims and burning them alive?? When are YOU going to stand up and reject those hindu killings?

lovely claims.. first, deny, deny, deny anything related to their own community, and then second, outrage at the fact that they provoked a backlash which didnt serve them well. and then admit that “for the sake of arguement”…and then try to spin the simple fact that the idiots who burnt the train started a backlash which they couldnt control. for all your bile against hindus, no thought about the muslim fanatics who began this spiral of violence. typical though…

lets get to the reality shall we. the so called enquiry which you are passing off on “my government” was a political piece of rubbish intended to assuage muslim sentiment (folks like you who wanted to wash their hand off any culpability) in the bihar elections. it was a standing joke. and it didnt even work, mores the pity.

thats the difference between a democracy and a totalitarian junta. i know the differing pulls and pushes in a democracy and can make out the stuff done due to political compulsions. i dont wrap it up as “my govt” and drink that horseswill as given.

the guy who had the survey conducted, shri laloo prasad yadav (my fellow indian posters dont laugh, because i took his name!) even took around a look alike of osama bin laden to help him campaign- goes to show his constituency and his own mentality. and it drew record crowds, other muslims who regard bin laden as some sort of hero, as compared to the mass murderer that he is. thats the sad part about some muslim indians…and they are my fellow citizens and i know how deeply fanatical some of them are..

now lets get to the other nonsense which you have written. your beloved innocent muslims (not even your own countries, but never mind that never stops the ummah does it!) burnt a bunch of people alive. now irrespective of how much you support them and seek to support them, theres something known as common sense.

if you are outnumbered and start a riot with such a barbaric act of provocation, then people will strike back. its human nature. vilgilantism is the hallmark of humanity from time immemorial and despite all sorts of attempts to get humans to play nice and turn the other cheek, it doesnt work that way.

and so it didnt. the riots started on the 27th of feb, and by march 1st the rioting had already gone through 2 phases, one in which hindus attacked muslims and the 2nd, vice versa. by march 1st, the center had started dispatching paramils to Gujarat.

now learn to read, before getting all steamed up and writing an absolute bunch of drivel and accusing others. what happened in gujarat was a riot situation. most of whom who suffered were innocents, hindu or muslim.

unlike you, i consider both hindus and muslims who died in the event to be innocents, my heart doesnt beat for those “poor 2000 muslims” alone. but thats the difference between india and pakistan, at the end of the day.

Since you love visiting such hate web sites, why dont you tell us how many muslims have been killed by non-muslims and vice versa. You can start with the figures for gujrat and then move to iraq and beyond.

lol, all i did was point you to one of the millions of website on the net which track how many non muslims have been killed in the name of islam and off you go with your bile and venom.

i already posted the figures for gujarat.

as far as iraq, who can sit and count about how many shias , sunnis have blown up and vice versa!

this is what i find so hypocritical about you sitting and cribbing about non muslims- muslims themselves have NO QUALMS in massacring each other on the flimsiest of excuses. Iraq is a perfect example. Go on, justify it. And the only way such a tinderbox of hatred remains is when a strongman like Saddam is in power….and what does he do? Kill his fellow muslims.

thats ok! but by jove, just see the anger against everyone else!

all i need to do is visit pakistan for crying out loud, and claim to be an ahmediyaa, i’ll be in jail before i can say “abcd” and that too if i am lucky. otherwise one of your wonderful sunni or shia groups would have knocked me off.

Each society has norms of behaviour and what is acceptable and what isnt. Can i come to your house and hurl abuse at your family and call it freedom of speech while you watch and twiddle your thumbs?

Typical. “Every society has norms of behaviour”– and that justifies chopping heads, and fatwas (the kind that salman rushdie is still hiding from) and killing people over cartoons of mohammad? Go ahead and call my family names, I really dont give a damn.

If you attack them with an intent to harm, I would defend them, but as long as you are ranting, I’d just call the cops if you were in my house or if you were disturbing the peace.

thats the difference.

This is true for all religions including hindus.

really? tell me, why is it that no muslim country allows ANY criticism of Mohammad or Koran? by your own standards, thats either socially acceptable or fanaticism. dont dance, take a stand. but you already have, havent you, for you thats unacceptable!

And as for non-violence, read up on sufism in islam.

read up, lol! of all the people. listen there are sufis and then there are sufis. ask the sikhs what they thought of sufis and you’ll get an answer thats not quite palatable to your white washing.

so called sufis like sirhindi were amongst the worst fanatics of their day. of course, in modern times, they have been rehabilitated somewhat since they pale into comparison against others, but guess what, you need to follow your own advice.

Gandhi was a johny come lately.

yup. such a johnny come lately, that he still remains one of the few who did what others couldnt. only MLK, and Mandela come close. but then again, expecting a pakistani muslim to admit that gandhi was worthwhile is to expect the impossible, so why bother! wake me up when your taliban show non violent resistance to ISAF instead of suicide bombing. like thats going to happen.

like i said: not one muslim leader in the world today who can quote non violence. just jihad, jihad, jihad.

BTW, wasnt gandhi killed by the same hindu fanatics who have trouble condeming?

i have no trouble condemning that loon ghodse. wake me up when you are able to condemn the muslims who burnt the hindus in the train.

I dont think anyone is denying that there are muslim terrorists.

you have been. throughout your post you have been whitewashing the record of muslims and have the gall to tell me, who saw what went on in gujarat and elsewhere during the period about how nice your boys were. talk about parochialism.

thats the problem with your fanaticism basically. those people who died in india were indians, whether hindu or muslim. but being a pakistani, all you can do is fixate upon just the “poor muslims” vs the “evil hindu fanatics”. no attempt at balance, none whatsoever. and nor do you have any locus standi in the dispute but there you are anyway, because they were muslim.

this ummah concept is what has bred terrorism. you wont even stick to your national borders but land up in chechnya, iraq wherever, to fight for islam.

But they are a fringe and do not have popular support. And they should be despised and fought.

fringe?! yeah right- lol!
lets check: iraq? saudi arabia? pakistan? yemen? algeria? egypt?
its so hilarious- ALL ACROSS the world, especially in muslim countries, there are massive campaigns of islamic terrorism.
the govts are even better, not only are their opponents radicals, they themselves fan radicalism- just look at pakistan and the isi!

even afghanistans leaders cant stand pakistans extremist islam anymore!

But wait, lets go to the west: UK? London bombings? pakistanis caught. US? Pakistanis and saudis caught in a variety of terror plots.

India? Pakistani terrorists are ubiquitous …the list is so long.

must be all evil hindus disguised as muslims. all secret bjp members with face changing technology from mission impossible, quick somebody inform the cops!!

HIndu fanatics on the other hand do have popular support and regularly kill and burn non-hindus alive. Who is standing up to them? NOt the educated in india cause they themselves have been fed hatred and brainwashed.

we dont burn non hindus alive. we pepper them, salt them and then eat them…gawsh, the way you are bs’ing one would do well to have you rewrite the protocols of zion.

for every one incident of religious violence in india, there are a thousand in pak, and much worse. but as if you’ll ever admit it.

just look at you. here is islam, with its track record of genocide across cultures, across nations, and in the 20th and 21st century a track record of violent political islamism…and here we have you, they are a fringe…look at the evil hindus!

yup, hindus flew planes into 9/11, blew up the london tube, blew up the bamiyan buddhas, attacked other hindus during diwali, killed aussies in bali, are currently killing thais in thailand..

good, good!

the educated in india are educated because they can stand upto folks like you and ask you, the so called educated to INTROSPECT.

Thats right, introspect. dont whitewash what muslims are doing and paint them as the victims- first qsaark did it, and now you.

and you think that it will fly?

Same excuse is used by muslim terrorists. However, there should be no justification for killing civilians. Same applies to hindu terrorists too.

what excuse! pakistan has been killing civilians in the name of islam since it was founded.

and compared to pakistan, india has no hindu terrorist group fighting for hinduland in the US, UK or Iraq. Compare to Pak.

Jaish E Mohammad, Hizbul Mujahideen…all groups which dont even remain inside pakistan, but attack other states..in the name of islam.

And Gandhi was killed by a hindu terrorist. What irony!

yup. he gave his life for his principles. he was on a fast to have riots in india stop. indians listened to him (hindus and sikhs). the pakistanis didnt and continued with their pogrom. but thats the difference really, india went and venerated a non violent icon like Gandhi, Pakistan chose a icon like Jinnah and declared itself an islamic state. good choice!

No. Indians elect then because the BJP gives a clean chit to the fanatical killers of VHP and RSS to kill with wild abandon. And the danger is that even the educated in india support fascism of the BJP and VHP and RSS. Difficult as it is to admit for you.

my my…you talk as if you have lived in india and been personally killed ten times over.

please dont make me laugh. compared to pakistans best and brightest, the bjp, vhp, rss whatever are babes in the school. i mean, these guys are idiots, they try for elections, stand up, lose and then retire like good kiddies till its time till the next election. compare to such tried and tested methods like bombing buses, massacres with ak-47s, this..that..

india has 150 million muslims adding upto 10-15% of its population. in pakistan, which began with a similar profile, hindus are all but extinct, converted, killed and fled. bar a few survivors who have managed to stay on and survive.

it shows a lot who killed with wild abandon and who is living along, bar the ocassional bar brawl and dumb violence

funnily enough, despite having elected bjp dozens of times, over india, india is regarded as a stable investment destination. compare to paradise pakistan which is currently exporting terror and hosts a delegation daily to talk about the issue. and then asks for aid to clean up its own mess by attacking the very same terrorists it sponsored.

taliban? created under the isi by gen nasir ..now of course, the bad taliban..as long as they attack pakistanis. if they attack isaf in afghanistan, good good.
kashmiri jihadis? kill indians ? good good. attack musharraf? bad, bad!

good show guys!

I get the feeling, this is going to be a long discussion and since this isnt the place for political talk, we can continue via IM if you insist on discussing this further. It is not my aim to attack hinduism which is one of the great religions. But i want to highlight to you the dangers in every terrorist strain be they christians, muslims or hindu. And denying that there is hindu terrorism and intimidation of minorities is nothing but self-deceit and not healthy for india or the neighbourhood in the long run.

its worth talking to you only if you can bring yourself to admit the manner in which islamic terrorism has devastated muslims and non muslims alike. but like thats going to happen.

and of course you have been attacking hinduism- just couching it in very suitable euphemisms. in your world, good hindus are those who just turn the other cheek and get massacred, murdered and attacked without a protest. why, if they resist or elect a govt on national security basis, they are hindu fanatics, lol. brilliant, either roll over and submit or be called names! the same tactics muslim fundamentalists have used since time immemorial, demonising their political opponents and then also playing the victim card!

besides, even you know the reality, the bjp,tjp or whatever you are spitting against are not a scratch on what you have bred in pakistan and your people have supported. hindu terrorism doesnt even exist in the absolute sense..no groups fighting for hinduland anywhere in pak or china or the us. compare to pakistans groups. go anywhere in the world, and there are pakistanis in jail for terrrorism using islam as the reason. good show!

about self denial and “healthy for india”- indias health is good enough for indians. i live there and like it, unlike you who is not even in pakistan but pontificates about it and hides the reality!!!

like what obl did- talking about democrats vs republicans in the us, like the americans gave a damn. my reaction to your bile is similar.

like i said, what happens to indians, whether hindus or muslims (the only ones you are concerned about) is an indian issue. same holds for pakistan and pakistanis. the problem of course, is that you guys cant stop there. you fight on the excuse of muslim causes and commit terror acts worldwide, and then on the top of it intervene in local politics and attempt to draw an equal line.

do whatever you want within your borders, like anybodys stopping you, dont cross over come to india and fund and commit terrorism. thats the difference, and thats what the WHOLE WORLD is asking Pakistan.

the mca cost…finally found an estimate…talks about codevelopment etc., manpower attrition..

http://www.industryweek.com/ReadArticle.aspx?ArticleID=13587

Feb. 12, 2007

… Finances won’t impede the project, which would cost between 60 billion and 100 billion rupees (US$1.36 billion to 2.27 billion) as much as a shortage of design engineers…