Nick_76about this Israeli AESA on MKI. would Russians be happy with that or would they start demanding more money since Radar is such an important part of aircraft?,
And about 2052, Read reports that 2032 can be upgraded to 2052. Should that mean 2052 might have less size & modules, and may not be able to take advantage of large MKI?
And will Meteor be availaible for export in post 2012 period on Russian birds like flanker? , i did read a report sometime ago that Meteor is offered for flanker.Does Phazatron have any plans to bring out AESA in future for flanker class fighters?
Can you tell me why now would we need an AESA on the MKI, given the performance of the BARS PESA?
Perhaps a decade from now, it might be worth looking at one…
Rather than the Meteor, the KS-172 or R-77 derivatives have a greater chance of appearing on the MKI..
Nick_76Nick_76
A great deal of duels have been fought by armchair experts & warriors on various forums about Al-Khalid v. Arjun and JF-17 v. Tejas etc. etc. I feel there is no need to get dragged into it again.
Sure, sure- given that you have done your fair share in precipitating them, no doubt.
Whether it was T-80s or Al-Khalids, it did concern India enough to import ready assembled T90s from Russia. No self respecting industrial nation, let alone “a self proclaimed future super power” will do such a thing, unless they were scared stiff, rather than just “concerned”.
I think you need to start taking what you write seriously, lest your pronouncements become akin to the reapparance of Comical Ali, of the late Iraqi Information Ministry.
No country is scared stiff when the neighbour goes and buys a few hundred T-80s to replace their hundreds of junkyard tanks of the Type-59 vintage, which were better in the scrap heap than combat.
But no sensible country would ignore it either, especially when it has gained a decisive overmatch in quality and quantity and would not want to sacrifice either. For all your talk of mil-ind experience, its rather clear that your nationalistic hubris has clouded your eyes overmuch, for you dont even understand the basics of military procurement in terms of life cycles and procurement plans. India inducted the T-72 when Pakistan had nothing but the Type-59, a few 69s and didnt even have the Type 85-II. It went on to manufacture over a 1000 of them, apart from upgrades, easily dwarfing Paks armoured corps.
Subsequently, Pak starting acquiring tanks piecemeal, and managed to chip away at this overwhelming advantage, but Indian Army was not unduly worried since its MLU programs and future acquisitions would address any erosion. But the late 80’s -90’s saw all these programs stuck by the wayside on account of economic troubles. Post 1999, thanks to your Generalissimos tactical brilliance, the taps for defence opened up again, and the Indian Army leapt at the chance to finalize a quick purchase- current plans for the T-90 alone stand at 1300 tanks. Not to mention a similar number of upgrades for the T-72 M1.
Now you can pat yourself on your back and make claims of having the Al Khalid or whatever, but do think of the big picture. And how ridiculous your statements seem in that regard. Its like some of your other compatriots being very happy that Pak is getting a handful of F-16s and the IAF Chief bringing it up, without realising his statements allowed for a MKI fleet of 230 to be cleared by the GOI, not to mention 126 MRCA. Talk about shooting oneself in the own foot and then cheering it on!
Then it was T-80’s and Al-Khalids, now there are ‘Baburs’ and ‘Raads’ to scare – laugh Russia / Israel all the way to the bank, here come fat dollar orders, squeezed out of poor indian suicidal farmers last few drops of blood.
For one, I daresay you dont even know how many Babur and RAADs are present, or whether the latter is anything more than a hyped PR Announcement at this point of time. And as regards poor Indian suicidal farmers- look to your own, and your suicidal terrorists, whom your establishment abetted and sponsored and is experiencing blowback from (Blowback is never pretty, is it?). Lastly, Israel and Russia are working with India- unlike Pak, Indias weapons systems have far more local involvement in them, with a direct affect on Indias own MIC. I had asked posters once to tell me about the Pakistani input in the JF-17 – that question still stands. Since you are chums with all Brigadier level staff and the like, such a simple question must be only too simple for you. Unless you really dont have anything from your side to point out.
Nick_76Not much difference in defence spending if u ask me.
As for the non-defence raletd info, im not sure what you are trying to get at. But for what it’s worth, be aware that according to the asian development bank 2007 report, india lags most of asia (including pakistan) in per capita spending power and GDP.
http://www.adb.org/Media/Articles/2007/12057-asian-economics-studies/default.asp
So nothing much to brag about if you ask me. But if you feel like chest thumping a bit more, im sure there are other more appropriate economic forums for discussion.
I am sure we can do without the economic figures- not to mention the incorrect and fraudulent figures GOP puts out for international consumption – but RayR didnt start this line of enquiry. ASaracen did- so rebutting propoganda is not chest thumping, its but to be expected.
Nick_76Lets see…
Pakistan
Infant mortality rate:79/1000 live births [2005 UNDP report]
Child mortality rate:99/1000 live births [2007 UNICEF]
Percentage of undernourished population: 24 percent[UNFAO-2006]
Literacy:49% [2006 UNDP]
Corruption:TI corruption report rank 142 along with Kenya,Kyrgyzstan,Nigeria,Sierra leone,Tajikistan.
Pakistan defence budget:12% of its GDP.
Pakistan expenditure on health:2.6% of its GDPIndia
IMR:56/1000 live births
CMR:74/1000 live births
% of undernourished pop.:20 %
Literacy:65.38%[2006]
Corruption ranking:TI tranking 70 along with Brazil China Egypt Ghana Mexico Peru Saudi Arabia SenegalIndian defence spending:2.5% of its GDP
Indian expenditure on health:5% of its GDPSo Mr asaracen,I guess you guys could lower the defence budget and spend it to educate people,saves children’s lives and not let corrupt government suck the blood out of poor hungry farmers:( .Not only does India spend more on its people than Pakistan but also less on defence[as a % of its GDP].And dont make stupid arguments about Pakistan has to compete…heh with such low spending on health/education how is your 49% educated soldiers going to be able to read chinese manuals:D or your average citizen compete with an average Indian citizen….lol.
[DONT TROLL.Try to stick to aviation topics]
Ouch. I think ASaracen or Pshamim or whatever name he goes by must be finding that rather large foot in his mouth, hard to swallow.
Never could understand the psyche of chaps like ASaracen, on the one hand, pompously patronising TPhuang and trying to put him down, making all sorts of snide references to other countries not even involved in the discussion,
and then tells everyone they are being arrogant.
Hubris, hypocrisy and hallucinogens- or a combination of all three!
Nick_76ASaracen spoke:
On the contrary, it is a very successful project for Pakistani requirements. Successful and potent to the extent that to counter it, Indians had to hurriedly import hundred of ready assembled Russian tanks.
Having spent a fair bit of time speaking to aforesaid Indian “assemblers”- I can state with reasonable certainty that your Al Khalid never bothered India overmuch, horse sh*t in the media apart.
What concerned India- “twinkle twinkle”- were the T-80s your boys purchased, since it came with the possibility of license manufacture in Pakistan. And there were reports that Pakistan had got Combat type ATGM gun tube launched rounds (subsequently shown to be false).
The Al Khalid is ok- not a bad tank, but frankly, as far as combat value goes, the Indian Army ranks it with the T-72 Upgrade. Its more mobile though, so thats one good thing.
Nick_76Gents my actual question was:
Is that article written by a Russian, or by the Aussies who run that website?
I for the life of me, cant imagine ANY Russian speaking in that stilted pidgin make believe Borat English.
Some of the Russians on this board for instance may struggle with grammar and syntax when it comes to English (and its not their mother tongue, so why not!), but they dont make a mockery out of the English language in such a stereotyped manner as those articles do.
It just feels “wrong” to me.
Is there any pilot called Grisha Medved? Has anyone heard of him before?
Is that website linked to in the article, some Russian consultancy- real?
Nick_76Thats an excellent point Whit..but it would take some fair amount of work to make the Pirate work with the Litening LRF as a third sensor, but definitely doable. The Litening LRF should range to around 30-50 km easy. Only thing is that its still active, and can give away your position.
Nick_76Question is: How effective are these systems against what Israel can field?
Their electronics must be decades old, if not upgraded.
And I doubt that Syria has that ability.
What a surprise- a nation the size of Israel and it regularly takes Syria to the cleaners.:rolleyes:
If I were Syria, I’d plop for a bunch of upgrades to all my SAMs. Get some three squadrons of MiG-31s, upgrade the rest of the AF. And buy local production of RPG-29 and Kornet.
Surely their economy, must be able to support – some 3-4 Billion$ of purchases.
Nick_76Blurb on research dun’ In the US
A 3-dimensional kinematic ranging algorithm for IRSTs is described, capable of real-time operation at greater than 25 Hz. The algorithm implements two 2-dimensional extended Kalman filters to estimate range in azimuth and elevation which are then combined to give the 3-dimensional range. Also included are algorithms for target manoeuvre detection and for determining the confidence of the range estimate. Simulation results for the algorithm are presented, which show that accuracies of better than 20% can be achieved at long range, depending on the measurement accuracy.
20% accuracy wont be good enough tho’…wonder what the Pirates is?
Nick_76Not really..Pirate wont provide range unless it has a LRF that can range out to 100 nm.
You need all three, height, angular info and range for a proper weapons fix.
Nick_76With all dues respect Nick, The Super whorenet may be a piece of junk that was thrust upon the USN after all their cool toys got canned, but it has an advantage over the LCA in that it is in widespread USN service and has attained an export order. We have yet to see any concrete evidence that the LCA will be ordered in anywhere near the numbers that the MMRCA and Su-30 have/ will be and the latest reports of thrust problems do not inspire a massive amount of faith. I would love nothing better than for 100+ LCA’s with AESA and an indigenous BVRAAM to be ordered but it has yet to happen, that is of course not saying that it wont but in the mean time I think it is best to reserve judgment. That is not to say that the project has not had huge benefits for Indian industry and for the IAF all ready becouse it clearly has.
I couldnt give a damn about the Hornet or whichever aircraft anyone is shilling. The simple fact is that if anyone else thinks that all aircraft have incident free development, then I have a bridge to sell them as well as would like to request them to stop trolling in the thread.
The IAF has repeatedly stated it will order 220 aircraft, the GOI has stated the same, if some are blind enough to ignore that and fixate upon stupid claims of mine is bigger than yours and keep shilling their aircraft of choice- its a bloody distraction. So STOP.
Nick_76That maybe the case but its not up to the pilots……….:eek:
It is upto the IAF in major part, and its best for India that they reject those overpriced heaps of underperforming junk- The Sewer Hornet and the Lawn Dart.
And buy proper aircraft, such as the Rafale or Eurofighter.
Nick_76At this stage I personally doubt it will ever reach widespread service……..:(
Better than a piece of trash like the Whorenet (thanks Broncho)!
Hoo boy, you do like getting whacked about dont you? Go troll in another thread, twit.
Nick_76Doesn’t it seem a bit odd how the leading countries of power today must prostrate themselves to sell their best military equipment abroad? So much for independence.
For $ 10 Billion, they’d be glad to prostrate- whoever lands this deal has his future secure for quite some time. The licensing costs, etc will all add upto a pretty packet.
Nick_76Done!! 😮
Awaiting your missive. 😉
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