That figure of 100 does include the IPAs and ISPAs, but doesn’t include the MAFT (TR001), the DASS ground trials aircraft and the and the German NEMP. There are thus 93 aircraft ‘in service’ a handful of which are in use as GI airframes.
EF 100 was BS021, originally due to have been delivered on 29 September. Like many Warton aircraft, it seems to have been handed over before the planned handover date, though whether it has actually left Warton is open to speculation, since Coningsby is not short of aircraft.
That “flyaway” cost is as claimed by the manufacturer, and has sometimes been quoted by some USAF officials, though the USAF have also predicted a stable production cost of $89 m. It may be that the aircraft will be sold for less than production cost (less than it costs to build), and for less than the APUC, but that strikes me personally as being improbable.
According to Av Week this week, Tom Burbage is still predicting an average production cost of $46-47 m “if the production plan remains intact”, but also that this could jump to $58-62 m if Congress puts the brakes on.
I have often heard and seen Burbage use this ‘projected flyaway’ cost, but have never seen it in any properly audited official document. It would be great to have a proper attribution, rather than just: “Tom Burbage said that …….”
The Av Week article makes NO mention at all of the $94.8 m APUC used in the latest DoD Selected Acquisition Report.
The problem with pushing ahead with production milestones before one should (and before adequate development and test has been completed) isn’t that you’ll have minor glitches to fix, but that you will have a real risk of really massive problems, that will cost billions to fix, and that would make the costs of a production delay pale into insignificance.
No-one wants the F-35 to be another F-111 or F-14A.
In any case, the most likely effect of any slowdown in F-35 (to fill the resulting production gap) would be an extension of the F-22 line, which would seem to be “win-win” for the USAF.
Without the second engine the UK has another reason to cancel.
Without the second engine every US F-35 will have a second-best powerplant.
I hope not. Unmanned still represent a less useful, less flexible asset, and Herti, while admirably cheap to operate, is not a military tool.
There’s talk of using a Herti in RAF exercises……
F-11X designations were used (especially in radio traffic) as cover designations for aircraft whose existance in the US inventory was not acknowledged. The YF-110 designation was re-used in this scheme
This included former Soviet equipment AND classified prototypes like the ‘Senior Trend’ (as the F-117 was officially known). The Tacit Blue was a YF-117D , for example, and the Bird of Prey may have had a YF-11X series designator.
The YF-110 designation is believed to have been used by MiG-21s, the YF-112 by the MiG-17, and the YF-113 by the MiG-23, though the YF-113G designation was used by a more highly classified black world programme.
The YF-24 designation surfaced in a bio of Colonel Joe Lanni.
Mach 2.42 on a website that spells the name ‘Rapter’ …….
Nor is anything Metz has said about what speeds it’s still accelerating at relevant.
The only figure that counts is the service limit in the Dash One – eg the maximum speed the service pilot is cleared to, without ‘voiding the warranty’.
Argentina’s Canberras left service years ago. So did Venezuela’s.
Chile lost one of its three Canberras, the others have been in museums for years.
Ecuador kept one airworthy (but unflown) for some time, but the last pilot is no longer current and I believe that the aircraft is now officially wfu.
Peru may still be keeping about six aircraft on the same basis, but they haven’t flown for ages.
Zimbabwe’s Canberras are irrevocably out of use.
India’s Canberras are the last in proper military use.
When it comes to the Hunter, Lebanon’s aircraft are grounded, and the last Indian target towing jets were replaced by MiG-23s a few years ago. There are some ex-Swiss aircraft in use for target facilities work but these are (UK) civvy jets.
Hasn’t India still got a few Canberras?
Or capabilities.
Which will be trimmed to keep costs down.
I came across this response on another board. I’ve edited it a little.
“Gentle turning fellow and Fedupkin man you may hav trolling technic but you have NO knolidge of aerospacial, only a limited comprehension of what you are bubling about and a taste for escapism manure of the sort pedalled by Typhoon fan club superioricist gurus. You are not fit to wipe my beeg Franche harsse.
You’re totally out of your socket. You are living in the cave age. You cant distinguish between your mum ironing plank and the short plank of wood zat I am as thick as. You know too litle your subject to make an impression on ME or any of us for that matter.
You GOT ZILTH but your usual mythological manure
Of course Saudi buy Rafale and not useless not detailed eurofeeter
You’re talking to a guy who was a conscript armourer fitting nuclear bombs to Spad XIIIs at a time your grand mummy weren’t even born yet, so don’t you come up with pseudo-specialist bulls because though I didn’t even make corporal I can spot spin,twist and ignorance on knowledge and experience only.
Go back to primary BOYS you’re not good enough to make the slightest impression on ME, i KNOW far better than you.
When i WANT to learn about anything, i go to the library and look in Jane’s, as i know some libraries for as long as you have been on this hearth. Did I tell you I was Guynemer’s batman, washing his underrpants and socks when you were not even before yet born before then? I was aeronautical consultant to the Emperor Napoleon himself, and before that I took Louis Quatorze flying in my Montgolfier balloon.
You want to know about it? Simple. The Spad XIII is superior to your so-called Typhoon. Renault could builderate better fighter than britis aerospacial who has never desiyned a sole aeroplane fighter on there own. Dassault are Number ONE in the EUs. You should learn to discernate between you silent wishes and reality. Franche is always best, I am always RIGHT, YOU are WRONG. And I’m laughing LOUD. If you don’t like the fact too bad, try suicide, you should have been born French.
Get a life, schoolboys. You are DISMISSED.
If you want ot be of any sort of usefuness you can tell me when the library closes……?”
Oman: VERY active. All upgraded to full J97 standards.
Nigeria: Never paid for, therefore not supported for years, therefore grounded for years.
Ecuador: A handful are airworthy and upgraded, but there is still a real shortage of aircrew, so they may not be flying at the mo.
$115 m?
Sorry, but no.
Average flyaway so far has been $184.733 m
Flyaway last year was the lowest ever at $129.949 m (this was below the quoted production cost and was unrepresentative…)
Flyaway climbs to $141.507 m and $141.477 m in 2008 and 2009, and then to $166.035 m in 2010, giving an average flyaway over the remainder of the programme of $156.356 m.
Weapons system cost is $185.372
Total procurement (not programme) cost $33.159 BN (excluding R&D, etc.) – eg $188 m each.
I’m not concluding anything about Typhoon’s empty weight, Flex, I’m just correcting the misapprehension (by you and Glitter) that there has been an increase, as a result of some kind of ‘strengthening programme’ to allow A-G capabilities.
What I’m saying is that released ‘open source’ figures (which may have been blurred for sensitivity, and which may have referred to different standards of aircraft) may have changed while the real weight of particular aircraft (eg production Tranche 1 aircraft) has not.
The only Tranche 1 jets that weigh more than the rest are the IPAs and ISPAs, and the clue as to why that might be lies in the ‘I’ for Instrumented in the acronym.
Dada:
It was averred that: “That figure of 9700Kg was before the strenghthen of the airframe when Eurofighter group start to include some A2G capabilities.”
I pointed out that “A-G capabilities were planned from the start” (and that “aircraft are capable of carrying bombs now, though no-one is actually exploiting this capabilities, and weapons and an LDP will not be cleared until Block 5”).
A2G capabilities have always been there. There has been no strengthening.