Look, western countries never operate covertly anywhere, ever. Only the bad Russians do that.
Bad bad Russians.
Nic
In Ukraine, the Russian do that to claim ownership of territories.
That’s a big difference.
On one hand, it’s a good way of enforcing responsibility on nations,
on the other hand, if this sets precedence, any terror organization can fling a manpad in any nation and that nation is held accountable
This is the first logical step of a very long process from which I doubt Russia and the rebels possible responsabilities are going to be excluded.
OK.. Now, let’s imagine for a while that some undeniable evidence about that is found. What happens next?
Well, insurance companies working for Malesian airlines and the victims of the crash will probably ask some compensation to who ever did it.
A nice conspiracy theory.. True or not, it’s completely off-topic.
This thread is about the MH17, not the alleged presence of Russian troops in Ukraine.
Well, there are clues that some russian troops might have been involved in the process that lead to MH17 crash.
So I wouldn’t call the presence of russian troops in Ukraine “off topic”
Last time I checked, Titanic was not torpedoed…
Do you even think before you write or you simply put there anything randomly?
That’s the point.
This is not because a tragedy may benefit to somebody (in the case of the titanic, other cruise companies for instance) that it was caused, on purpose, by this entity in the first place.
It happens all the time and it is called an accident.
There is one troubling thing in that interview. I tried to discuss the matter here long ago but with no effect so far.
The witnesses claimed that they eared TWO loud bang.
My cursus in sciences tells me that a missile explosion at 33kft won’t produce such a noise. Even a single loud “Boom”.
More over, a “double Bang”, what one of the witness is purported as saying, is characteristic of a certain type of aero config.
If we proceed cautiously, a new hyp might be set and crossed checked with other info. it will certainly leads to nothing. But who knows.
What about the shockwaves of a mach 3+ missile ?
This is good.
It’s been reported by RIA Novosti that “aviation expert” & former general in the Armee de l’Air Jean du Verdier* has spoken out about the downing of MH17, claiming it must have been shot down from Ukrainian controlled territory.
Well after reading what this General actually said, I’m a bit confused.
I failed to see where he says that the missile was shot from the Ukrainian controled zone.
General Jean du Verdier, who has previously worked for the French Permanent Aviation Safety Council, said in an interview Monday that if the plane fell near the village of Torez, about 25 miles from the Russian border, according to his calculations, โthe shot was fired from deep in the Ukrainian territory.โ
Does “Deep in ukrainian territory” means from “ukrainian controled territory” ?
Then in the next sentence he says exactly the opposite of the rianovosti article title !
This is the article title : “French Expert Says Missile That Allegedly Hit MH17 โLaunched From West (sic)”
And below what the general says :
The area [where the plane exploded] cannot be near Torez. It is much further to the west! Although this cannot serve as evidence that the missile that hit the plane, if this is the case, was launched from the west,
WTF ?
Anyway, this poorly written article is at least clear on one point : The former general dismisses the A2A shot hypothesis.
Primary & secondary radar means ATC
An airliner has a weather radar. Not an air to air surveillance radar.
So that contradicts directly the russian data about a fighter jet in the area.
Finished reading it.
Primary and secondary radar data show no signs of mysterious fighters close to MH17.
Which radar data are you refering to ?
Onboard radar of the 777 ?
Worshipping voltaire is enough for me to rest my case :eagerness:
Nic
I would have guessed so :highly_amused:
Except I love France, unlike the people you are currently worshiping.
Nic
I worship nobody exept maybe Galilee, Voltaire, Newton, Laplace, Darwin, Pasteur, Planck, Einstein, Hubble, Dirac, Sakharov, Feynman, Sagan and a few other gentlemen of the same value. :p
That was a very enjoyable video clip!
Love the Super Etendard. Kinda like a French A-4 Skyhawk. Nice looking little jet in my opinion.
+1
Excellent video as usual ๐ I like the editing work, the music choice and your ending signature with the canopy opening ๐
Like the Mirage F1, It will be sad sad when the sem will be retired in a coule of years. A tough and trusty little jet !
I loved the dark blue and white paint job of the late 70ies and 80ies in H_K video
I’d trade Putin for any president we’ve had since Louis XVI.
Easy, ask political asylum and start a new happy life in novorossiya worshipping saint putin the just.
Politicians can lie all they want. No journalist is going to confront them after the fact, and since the facts aren’t usually known until years later when there’s nothing you can do about the clustermess that’s been created.
They usually go: “what’s done is done, now we have to fix things”, which usually involves more, more spending, & more death.
Next time the media & politicians lie to go to war, people say “remember” the last time, and the previous one and then the one before? And someone like swerve will take the mic and say “this liar is gone, the guy who mistakenly gave wrong advice is too”. The fact remains that he has been replaced by other liars.
Nic
There is no such thing as absolute truth/rightness or lie/wrongness for complex social human interactions. Politics can only goes forwards by trying to fail “a little bit better” each time. That’s a very slow process at the human life time scale and it can even goes backward from time to time.
Falcon mates Hornet
That one actally exists in real life… it’s called a Ching Kuo ๐
http://cdn-www.airliners.net/aviation-photos/photos/7/5/2/1089257.jpg