yeah, they practice all the week before the airshow

Scroll down to see the su-27 arrival 🙂
http://www.checksix-forums.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=57107
http://www.foxalpha.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=5962

there is little chance this camo will be chosen…but anyway :

🙂

yes, that was an emergency bombing.
bad french 😎

The one sure thing about Singapore is that Typhoon was not kicked out on radar performance.

May be but the rafale and Boeing teams were able to show concrete stuff about their AESA radar projects and the Air to ground capapabilities of their jets.

1- Ok, thanks. I assume this hole has been filled by now 😀

2- it’s you who have started the comparison between the rafale F1 and the F-8, not me.
Now you, you bring the SHar and the F-18 on the table… fine, but the rafale M F1 is still far more powerfull and has far more range than the SHar : 8 mica + 3*2000 L fuel tanks…this is only a dream for a SHAr.
The F/A-18C is closer in AA, but whether you like it or not, the rafale M has a more modern radar and small RCS.
Yes, the curent rafale M F1 are single role..but at least they are in service since 2001-2002 unlike the “single role” eurofighter T1 which has just received (not sure) her clearance to use the AIM-120B.

3-

Rafale’s development has not been held up by Quadrinational wrangling.

I’m sorry for that but it is not Dassault’s fault. Wake up ! the eurofighter team has twice more test aircrafts, twice more money, twice more engineers but they are still 3 years behind the small rafale team who also has to make carrier trials…

Captor already outperforms RBE (as the Singaporeans found out)

Well, if you say so…
My bad, I had forgoten that Singapore had kicked the rafale out of the contest because its ESA radar was inferior to the mechanical captor.

and you’d have to be an incurable optimist (or French) to believe that Rafale F2 will have anything like the DASS. And then you come to the MMI, where Rafale is at least half a generation behind what Typhoon has now.

Well, yes, I’m French :p
What about you ? Are you British or an incurable optimist ? 😀

I thought it was at least ten years late, and that they’d found a €1.5 Bn hole in the funding?

yes 10 years late according to the 1988 plan which was canceled after the callapsing of the USSR. Do you have a link about your €1.5 billion hole ?

I thought that the only Rafales in current operational service were the Aéronavale’s F1 standard jets, and that they offer little real improvement over the F-8 Crusader – carrying only Magic, Mica, and a refuelling pod?

Little improvment ? the crusader were totaly oudated with only magic 2, guns and very poor radar. Rafale + RBE-2 + mica + spectra is another world. one rafale F1 is more dangerous than 6 F-8 at least.

I thought that the RAF, the Germans, the Spanish and the Italians all got their single-seat Typhoons before last Friday, when the Armée de l’Air got its first single-seater?

The french got their first rafale M in 2000 :p
BTW, The rafale C you are talking about is a F2 plane which has far more capabilities than the T1 eurofighters delivered to Spain, Italy, UK and Germany.

I thought that most of the clever stuff wouldn’t happen unless and until they got an export customer who would help pay for it?

Could you be more specific ? What stuff are you talking about ?

Come on, this is pure Dassault commercial crap, I agree, but the fact remains that the rafales built and delivered now are true multirole fighters. Moreover, The rafales F3 are funded AND ordered.
What about the Eurofighter deliveries ? Only T1 planes… No T3 order yet…

The music is absolute, total crap.

indeed 😮

Also I heard very often, for example FlugRevue that French industry paid 25% of Rafale R&D, whereas your figure is only government R&D so it might well appear less, but in fact it might be very similar.

The €10.1 billion figure is the total (it’s 10.14 actually)
French government : €8.35 billion
Industry : €1.79 billion

For the Typhoon development, I must admit it’s very difficult to get an accurate figure because each country has more or less its own version with different capabilities