Mark
As they say in Grease….
“Tell me more, tell me more”
Please!
HX238 served with A&AEE and was struck of charge 13.7.45.
I can’t find any recorded accident to this aircraft in Air Britain’s Flight Test Accidents 1940 to 1971
I seem to recall that there was Czech book about Preucil which roughly translated was “The Stolen Hurricane” It appears his orders from the Gestapo were to steal a Hurricane fitted with Cannon so that they could test the effectiveness of said weapon.
Obviously at an OTU this would have not been possible, so prehaps he went with the best he could get
Wasn’t RAF Faygate the MU where they took german aircraft that were shot down.. I seem to remember thats wjhere X-Rays BF109 machine (if it is the one in India) was taken there!
Nitam
I was interested in your post
What was the source of your info?
If it was a book, i would like to know which one!
Thanks
Paul
X9817 – Wellington IC
101/214/22 OTU/105 OTU SOC 9.8.44
Air Britain Serials W1000 – Z9999
I am happy to be be proved wrong but I believe their was no Wellington File
I have never found reference to it in any Air Britain books
Tom
Thanks for the imput..
As you are nearer and get up close and dirty to the real thing more than me.. Why are you sure it is an early Va now???
Paul
From List
R7222 – 54 sqn, FTR ops 5-7-41: Shot down Pilot Killed
R7264 – 54 sqn, FTR ops 14-7-41: Collided with 601 Sqn Spit. Pilot POW
R7268 – 54 sqn, FTR ops 23-7-41: Pilot Killed
R7269 – 54 sqn, FTR ops 9-7-41: P/O Batchelor POW died in captivity 1942 (see above)
R7303 – 54 sqn, FTR ops 22-7-41: Pilot POW P/O Jones
R7340 – 91 sqn, FTR ops 1-7-41: Pilot Killed
W3169 -54 sqn, FTR ops 9-7-41: Pilot Killed
So it could only be 3 of the above. And the aircraft does not look damaged from the side, so if in collision has to be on the other side..
But I thought Tom you thought the wheat to small for July?
Tom
I will look up those, But I think I only quoted those where there were a POW. As if the pilot was killed or bailed out in the water and rescued. The plane would not be in such a good condition!
Paul
Couple more points
A) For reference JR Kyall died Mar 3rd 2000
B) If it is P7443 a Spitfire IIa (Squire) can someone look up issue 46 of After Battle mag as it appears to be referenced see pages 31 to 37 for a picture???
I want to know why in Fighter Command Losses it says ‘E’
Firstly
According to “The History” R7259 was a VA
So it now comes down to either what Mark it is or what Sqn it is!
I can help with Sqns.. 81 Sqn only reformed in UK in 29 July 1941, so if Tom, is right about the wheat, then this is to late.. Also it only had VA’s from Jan 42. I think we can discount 81 Sqn
So it is either 91 Sqn (DL) or 54 Sqn (KL) I also think that that the first letter is not a ‘D’, it looks straight like a ‘K’ . So I am sure it is a 54 Sqn machine
BTW both 91 Sqn and 54 Sqn had Spitfire IIA’s and VA’s
However, 81 Sqn gave up IIA by May 1941 (VA’s from Mar 41) and
54 San had IIA from Feb 41 to May 41 and VA from May 41 to Aug 41
I cannot find any 91 sqn loss from Feb 1941 to until August 1941 that is likely, where Pilot POW
So I still think 54 Sqn.. That leaves us with either Spit IIa or Va
and there are better people on this forum to ID that thanme!
Pure Speculation
That the art under the cockpit means something.. and was only on their because he was of high rank or something. It looks like a shield to me…
I just looked up W/C Joseph Robert Kayll in Aces High (he was WC flying at Hornchurch at the time)
Says he ‘crash landed in a field near St. Omer and was captured’
The
54 Sqn had codes KL as well
dunno when they changed…
hold on oh yes I do
KL from Mar 1939 to at ?? (Spits: I, IIA, IIB, VA amd VB)
DL from Sept 1942 (Spit VC)
So if 54 Sqn.. then KL-E
So we would be looking for 54 Sqn losses where pilot POW in “summer”..
June 25th 1941
Spitfire V – W/C J R Kayll DSO DFC PoW, R7259 Circus 23, shot down near St. Omer
Spitfire Vb Sgt Beresford POW W3323 Shot down over France
July 9th 1941
Spitfire Va P/O Batchelor POW R7269 Circus 41 In Combat
July 11th 1941
Spit Vb F/Lt P M Gardner DFC P8744 POW ‘Shot down and wounded’
12 July 1941
Spit V Sgt F E Tulit R7225 POW
22 July 1941
Spit V P/O Jones R7303 PoW
If it is a 54 Sqn machine coded ‘DL-?’
It could be
54 Sqn Spitfire IIa Sgt H Squire P7443 coded “E” who was shot down on 26th
Feb 1941 while on Circus 5 (escorting Blenheims) by Bf 109’s of I/LG2 near
Calais
RE: Fire at Felthorpe Flying Club
0f the aircraft lost..
the following 8 are believed lost
G-APKN Auster 4/5/G/J/1 series
G-ATKZ Tipsy Nipper
G-BJLH Piper PA-18
G-BRAW Pitts Special
G-BWHH Piper PA-18
G-COWS ARV-1 Super 2
G-DHCI de Havilland Canada DHC-1
G-FANC Fairchild 24 Argus
plus
an unknown Emeraude
Source: Air Britain