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  • in reply to: IAF C-130J Super Hercules Aircraft crashes #2227996
    Mountain
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    Are you claiming that the two veteran pilots were not qualified to train at the Little Rock or that the USAF cut corners on the training?

    What makes you think that the IAF, unlike the USAF and RAF, does not take action to remedy its issues? Are you implying that the Court of Inquiry ordered is a farce or that its recommendations will not be implemented?

    Wow. Keen to put words in my mouth. Where did I state the IAF does not take remedial action? My point was by even denying such a scenario could occur due to the pilots being perfect, you and other posters are the ones implying it could not possibly pilot error. So which is it to be? As I stated in my very first post on this matter, we will not know till the board of inquiry, but pilot error could be a possibility, and yes, this may be due to discipline issues. That is a painful fact of life.

    Also, just as a heads up, Indian defence commentators are already pointing out that the IAF is investigating the possibility of a breach of flying discipline by BOTH aircraft.

    in reply to: IAF C-130J Super Hercules Aircraft crashes #2228041
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    Its not the possibility of pilot error that is being questioned. That can happen. It is your other claims that have raised tempers –

    1. The IAF’s training program is inadequate.
    2. The pilots in question did not have adequate experience.
    3. They couldn’t handle the transition to a four engined aircraft with a glass cockpit.

    1. Given its RIAF heritage (professional roots) and the scale of foreign exposure its undergone over the last decade, there aren’t a lot of doubters with regard to the quality of the IAF’s training regimen.
    2. The current pilots have all been trained at USAF establishments. Aside from their previous experience, one assumes that the depth and scope of the training imparted was adequate.
    3. By all accounts, aircraft with glass cockpits are easier and safer to fly.

    Both pilots were Wing Commanders (eq to Lt Col) with thousands of hours under their belt. Its absurd to suggest that their flying X trainer for Y hours two decades ago contributed to this accident.

    This is the tragedy of this situation. No one is prepared to question the training or the leadership. No one doubts the IAF’s profressional roots, but every organisation has sometimes systimatic failures, in training, procedure and leadership. There is a possibility this was the case here.

    Let me give you two examples of foreign air forces that have “professional roots”.If you dont know the stories behind the below use Google.

    1) The USAF nuclear scandal at its Minutemen Nuclear missile bases. Drug taking, exam cheating, leadership cover ups
    2) RAF Puma base scandal that revealed negligence in training, leadership and administration after several crashes

    The difference between these two “professional air forces” and the the IAF fan boys on here, is that in the two cases above action is being taken to remedy the situation. So human failures like this do happen. It MAY have occured here is what I am saying, but please feel free to bury your head in the sand.

    in reply to: IAF C-130J Super Hercules Aircraft crashes #2228054
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    Thats the issue here, we do not know what caused this fatality, do we?
    And yet, so Close after this crash, here you come on and post nonsens about IAF training quality and other nonsens about glass cockpit and engines..
    People died in this crash, so keep Your conclusions to Your self, no need to spell them out here.
    Quite distastefull and unrespectfull in every way!

    There will be an investigation, lets wait for any conclusion from proffesionals and what they find out.

    Wow! Really!? Listen to yourself.

    Please point out WHERE I have been disrespectful!?

    After any crash (look at the resent Malaysian plane saga) it is normal practice to question if it could have been crew error. I take it in that case all of the global media is also being disrespecftul? You arguments hold no water.

    Questioning if a crew flying a brand new type at low level could have made a mistake, is not, in my opinion being disrespectful. I would argue using the deaths to shed crocodile tears and trying to avoid any blame on the crew due to jingoism may be the ultimate form of disrespect.

    in reply to: IAF C-130J Super Hercules Aircraft crashes #2228103
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    your shamelessness in bringing in your Pakistani bias and questioning the crew training (digital cockpit too much to handle, my foot!) when there have been fatalities involved and no accident report as yet is incredibly distasteful..

    no one said that this may not be due to pilot error, but we all know why you’re suggesting what you are..no need to act all aggrieved and innocent.

    maybe one should question the quality of PAF personnel/equipment when the next PAF jet / helo goes down, which happens regularly anyway..but then I have a little more sense of respect to those who lost their lives. even if they were Pakistani.

    Wow, so this is a forum right? I gave my opinion and you (as we have seen) are always willing to give yours and now I have to be silenced?

    It is nothing to do with nationality, or being disrespectful of the dead. A plane crashed and there may be several reasons behind it..

    In the past the IAF stated they needed modern trainers so that fighter pilots could go on to fly modern SU-30s and Mirage 2000s. The case I am making is that this same scenario may be being played out in the transport fleet.

    in reply to: IAF C-130J Super Hercules Aircraft crashes #2228132
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    Air Force rules out reports that C-130J crashed due to counterfeit Chinese parts

    http://www.samachar.com/Air-Force-rules-out-reports-that-counterfeit-Chinese-parts-led-to-C130J-crash-oebcKNiffci.html

    in reply to: IAF C-130J Super Hercules Aircraft crashes #2228137
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    You suggested that the IAF Crew is poorly trained and some nonsens about 4 engines and glass cockpit is so complicated to operate.. which is not true.

    Nobody is denying this fatality may involve pilot error, but these Things happens.
    It happend to one of Our own C-130J in Norway, and those pilots was very expirience, like i said pilots are never fail-safe no matter how good trained and expirienced they are.

    However, Your faul posts reeks With nationalistic Garbage about IAF personel etc.. and i find Your post very distastefull and unrespectfull.
    Improve Your post pls, or i will report you as troll/flamer!

    Name one word I used that was distasteful or unrespectful and I will apologise. However to suggest the fault may lay with the pilots if there is no technical fault is just hard, cold facts. If you find that upsetting, I will not apologise.

    in reply to: IAF C-130J Super Hercules Aircraft crashes #2228140
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    Your IAF bashing is getting irritating and is clear for everyone to see.

    So suggesting a crash could be pilot error is “IAF bashing”?

    As for irritating you, sorry, could not really care less.

    in reply to: IAF C-130J Super Hercules Aircraft crashes #2228153
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    Oh sorry, my bad. Cannot be pilot error. I forgot, IAF pilots are perfect.

    Would be great if we had a neutral source….oh wait look what we have here

    “but local media suggests human error, not technical problems.”

    http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/179012#.Uzp4EfldWwU

    in reply to: IAF C-130J Super Hercules Aircraft crashes #2228296
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    Yup, lets be blunt, until a board of inquiry is convened we will never know. In fact if they cannot get to the bottom of it we may never know. No air force raises its hand and yells “our pilots need more training”, but if anyone has been following the fiasco that is the IAF training procurment, you can guess these guys (Wing Co’s probably trained in the 80s/90s) may not have had the experiance needed. Yes, they went on a C-130J course at Little Rock, but they had been trained on Soviet equipment and flying AN-32s prior to this. May not be popular saying it, but maybe these guys found transition to an new all glass cockpit and powerful 4 engined type a bit too much…

    Mountain
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    Because this is just the type of thread the forum needs right now……

    *Faceslap*

    Well said celebriton

    in reply to: Indian Air Force Thread 20 #2231940
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    Amazing that India is now looking at importing almost it’s entire training infrstructure. I would imagine training aircraft would be the first place to start indigenous aviation industry and work up from there.

    in reply to: Indian Air Force Thread 20 #2232109
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    Should be easy enough to verify.

    Teer, Twinblade, anyone want to weigh in on the fleet status?

    Would not exact operational status be classified? The only reason we got the info reported was that HAL documents were leaked….

    in reply to: Indian Air Force Thread 20 #2232241
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    Wow! So how many servicable SU-30s do they have then?

    Take those planes out of the equation (which you may have to do if the problem is as serious as reported) and you are looking at dangerously low force levels….

    in reply to: Indian Air Force Thread 20 #2233447
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    Su-30MKI aircraft displays facing ‘blanking off’ problems

    http://www.deccanherald.com/content/391568/su-30mki-aircraft-displays-facing.html

    in reply to: Indian Air Force Thread 20 #2233849
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    MiG-23s are gone. MiG-25s and Canberras went last decade too.

    MiG-21, Harrier, and MiG-27 next on the chopping block. Some MiG-21 variants gone already.

    Yes, I know, I did mention the MIG-21s and ’23s being phased out in my post. Harriers are Navy so I do not even know how they make it into this thread….

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