Hi All,
Duggy1:- This paragraph below from the linked article may give you an avenue to explore if related ? https://www.wearethemighty.com/mighty-history/jimmy-doolittle-misstep/
” While commanding the 12th Air Force in Africa, he drew the wrath of Gen. Dwight D. Eisenhower. According to Dik Daso’s biography “Doolittle,” Eisenhower had called Doolittle’s HQ to talk with the general. Doolittle wasn’t in the HQ, he was in a Spitfire taking it for a test flight. Eisenhower expressed his displeasure with his subordinate.”
EDIT:- Just found this courtesy Getty Images.

Also this below.

Major General James H. Doolittle straps himself into the cockpit of his plane, Jan. 28, 1943, before a flight over the Tunisia, North Africa, front.
Image courtesy of :- USA Today News :- https://eu.usatoday.com/picture-gallery/news/2019/04/09/last-world-war-iis-doolittle-raiders-has-died-103/3412830002/
I strongly believe it was while he was commander of the 307th Fighter Squadron, Twelfth Air Force .between 1942 and 43.so all you need to do is find out what Spitfires were given to the USAAF during that period IMPO.
Geoff.
Hi All,
plough:- You are quite correct about the not understanding of the situation, as a whole I thought that both LC & WLDC had vested interests but I bow to your better knowledge. Being as Scampton is basically a stones throw from Lincoln town I thought they naturally were the ones who had jurisdiction over the site and they were the leaders with the WLDC back up also. I mentioned the Christmas Mkt thinking it was relevant as evidence of LC ignoring the will of all around them and I could imagine the same occurring as far as the Scampton debacle was concerned, so I apologise for confusing the issue.
When I mentioned the government being spineless I stand by it simply because they are afraid of the woke brigade, they pander to those who try to enforce their will upon others instead of simply refusing whatever issue on common-sense grounds, if they stood up to these bullyboy tactics there would be none of the issues that are now currently facing this country as a whole.
I do realise it is the government who are the problem I just think that it could so easily have been remedied if the idea like you said regarding it’s use had been taken quickly. I mentioned in another post sometime ago when the Flying Legends was being cancelled how they could IMHO and with a little difficulty move the whole operation to Scampton for the foreseeable future as the infrastructure is in place for such an operation with scope to utilise the parts they would not.
People assume it would be used for housing because it has happened elsewhere already and when the government own a site it makes it that much easier to ride roughshod over any opposition. that and rather than having protests at using other fresh land whether that be expanding the sizes of current Cities,Towns or Villages making them larger or indeed just open land.
I also agree that the government along with past governments have failed to act and unless they show a positive action with regards this ever growing problem it will only continue to get worse.
I am afraid we have to take a more ruthless attitude in dealing with the illegal migration, for one thing a lot of people confuse this with legal migration and asylum which I am all for but has to be scrutinised thoroughly. One thing they could do is tell them if they are caught without their papers (Often dumped in the channel) it’s straight back no questions.
Geoff.
Hi All,
I looked up the Enstone airstrip on Google Maps:-
https://www.google.com/maps/@51.9313538,-1.4162994,60m/data=!3m1!1e3?entry=ttu,
There are two similar hangers with an apex roof that could still hold the engines as pictured on the here ?

I looked over the whole site and unless the wings are buried under the trees or brush no sign,
Having said this there are plenty of pictures of the crash and remains at various stages located on the Airfield in various years (latest engine 2009/10) but sadly it looks for the most that you will have to either visit and search or ask the adrian_gray provide link..
Geoff.
Hi All,
Well not really unexpected given that the government are spineless ( Well I say that but I assume that there were some dissenting voices who were overridden ? ), Instead of coming together on all sides and standing up for common sense with the locals about this problem it. seems to me they pander to those who get upset at the slightest thing.
Also consider this is the same Lincoln town council who have cancelled the longest running UK traditional Christmas Mkt that has been active for over 40yrs, sighting Health and Safety concerns. Yet local tory councillor asked the Police if there were any concerns and they replied in the negative.
If they can do the above at the same time cancelling all the generated income into their own town coffers and especially local businesses making money as they are reliant on, do these people really have the heart in stopping this madness and siding with the Scampton defence ?
I imagine Councillors were assumedly elected/appointed by the local people they allegedly represent ? not only this but some appear not to care about local feeling in particular regarding RAF Scampton, it seems they are only to pleased to help out those who should not be here in the UK in the first place, so what about helping out they’re own Homeless, Jobless, Inadequate housing, Prisons etc.etc.etc. they are not all on the con.
Seems to me that instead of actually dealing with the issue and others head on these so called politicians would rather not to actually earn a living by doing the job they were employed to do. Those who actually try for common sense get short shrift or Pummelled or Derided by their own supposedly Party members/Colleagues IMO.
Only today many councils are now moaning about the new living wage they will have to pay to it’s employees and how they will have to get rid of some of the workforce and they services provide.
Correct me if I am wrong but aren’t Government/Councils etc. meant to work to budgets and not for profit and savings ? Obviously you can save in one area but that would surely go to another that is costing above what you allowed ? well it’s simple IMHO start at the top work your way down with pay cuts.
To many boss’s are on to higher wages while sitting back signing whatever instead of getting involved with the work that supposedly got them they’re promotion, you know actually being part of the answer and not the problem.
Like I say Wage cuts first at the top, getting rid of posts that are just made up, getting rid of vanity projects etc. etc. you know basically looking after the Country/City/Town/Village you represent and to hell with targets as with targets you just do not get the best person for the job, then downwards you’ll soon meet the budgets I imagine.
Having said all the above this is just my ignorant opinion and I could be completely wrong. I admit to having no idea about running to a business budget only knowing you can’t pay out if you do not have enough in the coffer basic economics IMO.
So sad really that such an historic I imagine Scampton will just get turned into housing once all the fuss has gone which I assume the local council are hoping for especially when a sound business plan is rejected instead for whatever gain.
One further thought just occurred:- Will the Labour dominated council get funding for this plan or are they just being humane in providing the site to facilitate illegals ?
Geoff.
Hi All,
These of any use to you B6 ?
Geoff.
Hi All,
Article courtesy of:- https://warbirdsnews.com/
( Article :- https://warbirdsnews.com/warbirds-news/aalo-acquires-hangar-51s-lightning.html
Great additional info about 422:- https://www.facebook.com/Lightning422/?locale=en_GB
Geoff.
Hi All,
AA – 3rd paragraph down may be related ? https://www.key.aero/article/b-17-85-maritime-hunter
3rd Aircraft down:- https://www.baaa-acro.com/city/gosport
May be of some use ? https://studylib.net/doc/8919775/boeing-b-17-fortress-in-raf-coastal-command-service
Another possible avenue for info ? https://coastalcommand206.com/pages/206-squadron-coastal-command-aircraft-flown-john-lowe
Scroll down until 2522 – http://cgibin.rcn.com/jeremy.k/cgi-bin/gzUsafSearch.pl?target=41-2460&content=
Scroll down until 2522 (Approx. half way down page page): – https://www.joebaugher.com/usaf_serials/1941_1.html
Helpful info ? – https://www.heritagegateway.org.uk/Gateway/Results_Single.aspx?uid=1395756&resourceID=19191
You never know may lead to somewhere that has the info you require.?
Geoff.
Hi All,
Congratulations to all those involved from start to finish, small to large part played in resurrecting another dream to reality of flight.

Geoff.
Hi All,
You know it never ceases to amaze me the short sightedness of those in power and their seemingly unlimited appetite for the destruction of the UK’s heritage, no matter what form that may take or the protestations of people asking them to think twice.
In this case you can imagine those who know better than us plebs around a table:- ( It’ll be alright we can take some snaps, create 3d imagery to keep them peep’s happy it’ll be on record for posterity, job done! )
In fact even though the this is a wartime relic that was never put to use it is beyond belief as the whole site is or was meant to be a science based establishment. So how can they let this particular scientific experiment Which had a direct link to the CAM ships just be dug up for new construction ?
Why not restore the catapult to it’s former glory create a tourist attraction ? You know it could even pay for itself and the ongoing restoration with a minor entry charge or simply make money if you left it as is state.
You could always reconstruct it elsewhere if deemed not practicable, If not conserved at former RAF Harwell then truck the lot to Duxford and set it up there I am sure it would be a welcome addition and I am sure they have the room.
You have to wonder what the Harwell Science and innovation thinks of this move ? as this seems a very odd decision in deed considering it being a scientific site.
Or am still wearing my rose tinted spectacles ?
Geoff
Hi All,
dhfan – Sent a PM check to you did you get it ?
Geoff.
Hi All,
NewQldSpitty:- I admit that I did think of that difficulty but somewhere in the back of my mind I had heard of an machine that would be similar to what is required X-RAY 3D scanner but thought better of it.
( If I am not mistaken they could have possibly used one in finding out the mechanics of how a certain type of Dinosaurs nasal cavity system worked, they even made a model and achieved a sound of what they thought the Dinosaur sounded like when they blew through it, but for the hell of it I cannot remember what history programme it was on.)
Anyway I Googled and discovered that I am possibly referring to an CT X-Ray Scanner so the technology exists for the internals of whatever. I imagine that you could adapt them for the aero industry if not already done ? Whether or not they are portable like the ones I initially thought would be of benefit is another question, but here again technology moves as such a pace now that I also imagine there must be a portable machine if only in prototype form.
When I thought of the scanner initially it was for I imagined larger components that BF6 and the team may have difficulty obtaining, never giving thought for whatever internals just the obvious solution, but like you say it’s the internals that are the missing links.
I don’t know is there a machine that can turn accurate printed models into accurate functioning 3D working parts ? I know about how with CNC machine you basically put in a billet, add the 3D coordinates and away you go and 3D printers that are not quite there yet as I would think that the printed parts would have to be very strictly certified and, undergone many hours of testing.
It’s frustrating to think that somewhere just gathering dust there may be the parts wanted or the instruction manuals needed just sitting in boxes, in the back of long forgotten about storage areas where all the junk get’s turfed on top of them etc. etc. etc.
I know, I know Rose tinted glasses borrowed from the Unicorn in perfect world 🙂
Geoff.
Hi All,
BF6:- Here’s another one for you that I suspect you may have already dismissed because of the expence 3D Laser Scanning ? I got the idea funny enough while watching Gas Monkey Garage on they’re latest project.
It seems to me that it’s a logical next step if the engines are to all intense and purposes extinct, I would think the really hard part would be having to persuade a Museum to accommodate you with the dismantle of one of their engines, then you scan all the parts and then reassemble the engine though ?
List of UK companies via Google..
In the mean time thanks for the picture and I’ll keep plugging away you never know ?
Geoff.
Hi All,
Jag12:- Yet more outstanding work from your team well done to all….:-)
Geoff.
Hi All,
BF6:- Was the fuel pump early Hercules specific or was it fitted to other engines ?
Geoff.
Hi All,
BF6:- I take it you already have a copy of this manual then ? (Still active on EBay)

What about giving the guys at Shuttleworth a go ? they seem to have a substantial archive with plenty material you never know may just include what your looking for.
Geoff.