WS10B in mass production, the shown engine with gearbox at the bottom, which is designed to power J10B fighter. The B version of WS10 turbofan is said to have 13.2 ton max thrust.

There are several wrapped engines on the floor as well.
The Chinese dream jet? For all we know, the EF has better stealth characteristics, unless someone can provide some quantifiable evidence and not just Internet hearsay and conjecture. đ
The same you can say to the Yankees, unless Dod can provide blah blah, then EF has better stealth then F22.
Obviously you r not the one interested in principals.
CZ-11W
from JDW ( 19-Oct,2011 posted)
October 14, 2011 Defense Minister Arturo Purichelli Argentina and vice-president of China Foreign Trade Association China Aviation Technology Import Export Corporation (CATIC, the export structure of Aircraft Corporation AVIC) Wu Jia Jia signed an agreement to build the organization on the Argentine national aircraft building enterprise FĂĄbrica Argentina de Aviones “Brigadier San MartĂn “(FAdeA) in Cordoba, Chinese light helicopters CZ-11W. Signing of the agreement took place during a ceremony honoring the 84th anniversary of the Argentine aircraft factory.

And according to this site:
http://desarrolloydefensa.blogspot.com/2011/10/catic-el-nuevo-socio-estrategico-de.html
It’s potential for Catic to supply other types of aircraft for Argentine AF.
This is not a rumor, a JH7 fighter bomber lost during air show. Luckly, the pilots ejected Just In Time.


The right canard deflected so much compared to left one, a stun scene. Haha, ask a striker to do it the same.

:cool:;)

Another nice pic
…Personaly I don’t care about what media “experts” write.(I remember one of those experts write that China have intercontinental anti-ship missile).
Impressive, yanks invented ASBM & I just learned Russians have upgraded it to intercontinental đ
What a wonderful “fan”land.:D
If those military strong men got an ear of top decision makers. Then, MacArthur would have nuclear bombed China long before already.
Nothing beats the Sino-russia trade to tell who is overall dominant in the industrial area if someone really wants to measure up.
Russia is still the resource centric exporter for China, while China, from where Russia imports the most, counts machinery & electronics as the lion’s share for its export to Russia.
The first 2 months of this year sees bilateral trade of machinery/electronics between China & Russia stands at 2.38 billion, in which 2.33 billion is export from China, Russia merely exported 50 million worth of high end product, not deniable substantial share of that 50 million could be military related. But consider such a tiny amount to a trade n industrial giant like China, it’s really not worth of giving a d*mn glance, no matter what fanboy is yawning how big he is. đ see below figure, which speaks itself.
Bilateral trade in machinery and electronics may touch $30b, says China Chamber of Commerce
BEIJING – Sino-Russian trade in machinery and electronic products is expected to reach $30 billion by 2015, said Zhang Yujing, president of China Chamber of Commerce for Import and Export of Machinery and Electronic Products (CCCME), on Tuesday.
He also said the total bilateral trade volume is expected to stand at $100 billion by 2015.
China is the world’s largest exporter and the second-largest importer of machinery and electronic products. Trade in these products constitutes the major part of bilateral trade between the two countries.
In 2010, China’s exports of electronic products to Russia jumped by 85.1 percent year-on-year to $13.5 billion, accounting for 45.6 percent of the country’s total exports to Russia.
Zhang also said Russia’s resource-centered economy is benefiting from increased demand and the rise in the prices of commodities such as crude oil, natural gas and coal, following the economic recovery from the global financial crisis.
Propelled by the price hikes of natural resources, Russian companies will expand their production capability and seek overseas investments, Zhang said.
“This will create great opportunities for further increases in bilateral trade and cooperation (in machinery and electronic products),” he said.
During the first two months of this year, bilateral trade between the two countries in machinery and electronic products surged by 56.7 percent year-on-year to $2.38 billion, according to the General Administration of Customs.
Meanwhile, China’s exports of electronics and machinery to Russia amounted to $2.33 billion, compared with imports of $50 million, official figures showed.
http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/business/2011-04/13/content_12318914.htm
Hmmm Yes that rumour is already out since two days but – at least at the SDF – the currently accepted opinion is that it was nothing but a rumour, since this photo below reportedly shows this prototype 1034 “after” its crash !
I have to admit that proves or disproves nothing but overall it’s strange.
Deino
The PLAAF has officially come out to deny the rumor:
It’s Oct first, u know what day it is &the Sac’s new stealthy bird going to fly on this day.
Yes, so much for the role of s duct debate ongoing here, other than that is nonsense with no place in the J20 thread.
Of course J20 in current stage is clawless , is geared for future just as PAk-FA. While Su47 is solely for demo and became history already. I guess human does got intelligent to figure out the difference, do u ?
The Su-47 as a whole was probably never intended to enter service, but it tested a multitude of technologies which I’m sure were judged on an individual basis. Would you say the following weapons bay design, curiously enough demonstrated on the Su-47, is not intended for production?
http://paralay.com/s37/37100.jpg
If experience with tech demos is irrelevant, what the hell are they used for?
:rolleyes: .
As far as the S-duct is concerned, the S-duct technology as demoed by Su47 has never led to any induced Russian fighters adopting such tech and thus never concluded the âtechnology is production demonstratedâ.
The inlet screen was not a line-of-sight blocker, it worked on a completely different principle. You might want to tone down your language a bit if you have no clue about engine masking solutions.
Only if u can deny such inlet screen is NOT a radar blocker then I think itâs worthy to discuss how the clue is. Or otherwise I just think itâs yet another desperate attempt by you to distract the topic to â whatâs the difference between radar blockersâ.
Furthermore, Yanks have field whole range of fighter/bomber with PAK-FA style radar blocker, instead of one miserable Su47 demonstrator example flashed persistently by your side. Once again, who has the stronger point as far as the topic is concerned?
As Hotdog said in a different thread, the X-32 with its straight-through intake and blocker lost to the X-35 due to its STOVL difficulties, NOT because it had any problems meeting the RCS specifications. So even in “yanks’ practice” a blocker can obviously meet the JSF stealth requirements just fine
Yet again, because of the simple factor that X-32 never even ended in production, itâs not verifiable that âa blocker can obviously meet the JSF stealth requirements justâ per you siad. Why not you pay more attention to the more Realistic fact that âx-32, a last century demonstrator, is the last loser with a radar blockerâ. Even since, the Yanks field no more major stealthy fighters with radar blocker, so does China, whose J-20 & upcoming SACâs 5th G fighter all opt for S-duct. That leaves the PAK-Fa is only current 5th G candidate still features the legacy Radar blocker. you wonder why? the clue is Chinese & yanks don’t short of “$”.:rolleyes:
Why the mainstay goes for a design more expensive, more complicated instead of cheap device? Because the perfectness lies in the ultimate achievement of âthereâs nothing exposed to the bad guys Line of sightâ. no matter how you twist the word, distract desperately, showcase in provocative manner, the fact stands by itself.
Nonsense, a tech demo is meant precisely to demonstrate the ability to build a technology for production (and it’s not like the J-20 is deployed already). BTW, the s-duct intake is arguably one of the Su-47 technologies that worked brilliantly, despite having practically no moving parts it allowed an engine like the D-30F6 to be manoeuvred hard and flown at high AoA. Like the US TF30 or UK Spey, it’s a first-generation afterburning turbofan that was designed for a non-fighter application, flying it the way it was in the Su-47 should have been asking for trouble.
So has ur argument changed things a little bit? Has the Su47 been ever induced so as to justify âdemonstrate the ability to build a technology for productionâ. LOL, a Tech demo never ended in production but still can claim âdemonstrate âŚfor productionâ how ridiculous.
Again, the key point is not how successful the Su47 is integrated with S duct. The Su47 is a mere tech demo, and already thrown into history bin. How successful or not is immaterial as Su47 doesnât justify the argument that PAK-FA, has an induced predecessor that features S-duct. So it doesnât justify that PAK-FA adopts a radar blocker over S-duct is an evolvement from the predecessor as someone tries to imply.
However, the key point is Yanks after adopting the radar blocker in their 1st gen stealthy, formally induced fighters like F117 and various other fighters with stealthy features, their latest stealthy fighters all adopt the s-duct over the predecessors with radar blocker. If someone really want to imply a comparison, it should find a more convincing case like what we observed from yanksâ practice.
S-duct or radar blocker is a moot point. if you argue fat is beauty against my view that the slim is beauty, i also can’t rebuff rightfully, the only thing i can say is you are the one bucking the trend, and no doubt people can make the easy conculsion by themselve.