You are quoting moral standards to me when you are defending clear breaches of maritime law?

Steaming 75 miles off the coast in international waters is harassing?. The PLAN may not like what the USN is doing. Just as we didnt like Sov AGI’s off Faslane in the bad old days but its nothing new and you dont deal with it like this!

So what maritime law you’re taking, since when one country can do maritime survey without seeking prior permission from the EEZ host country per UN maritime law? Lol, you can breach and harass people but not the other way around.

Bravo, “civilized nations”:rolleyes:

Yep, a nasty guy tries to peep into some other people’s private room in a public pass adjunction to the private property and get punched right in the face. A decent :rolleyes:case for the peeper against the puncher. :dev2:

And R-27T goes over 4M so this is not true.

So you want AIM-120 to become another R-27T ?!

I am convinced, it does not make sense to give all the MiG-21s the same. The Bisons should be better. Let me modify this aspect to my model.

Hey, I won’t rate a plane used by a single AF that got a very bad accidental rate be better than a plane used by multiple AFs that essentially has better flight record.

Something may look better on paper ONLY, but a flying coffin won’t be better than anything in reality.

China to start construction of 1st aircraft carriers next year
BY KENJI MINEMURA, THE ASAHI SHIMBUN

http://www.asahi.com/english/Herald-asahi/TKY200812310046.html

2008/12/31

BEIJING–China will begin construction of the country’s first domestically produced aircraft carriers in Shanghai next year, with an eye to completing two mid-sized carriers by 2015, military and shipbuilding sources said.

Beijing is also expected to complete work on a never-finished former Soviet aircraft carrier moored in the northeastern port of Dalian, to provide training for carrier-based pilots and crew.

The two 50,000- to 60,000-ton carriers will rely on conventional propulsion systems, not nuclear power. They will be assigned to the People’s Liberation Army Navy south sea fleet, tasked with patrolling the South China Sea, sources said.

China’s carrier ambitions and the build-up of its blue-water fleet have long been of interest to Pacific nations.

National defense ministry spokesman Huang Xueping recently commented that China might build its own aircraft carriers.

However, this is the first time the goals of Chinese naval planners have been clarified in such detail.

If China does bolster its naval combat capabilities by deploying aircraft carriers, it could significantly impact the delicate military balance in East Asia.

According to sources close to Shanghai municipal authorities, one of the world’s largest shipbuilding facilities was completed this fall on Changxingdao island at the mouth of the Changjiang river near Shanghai.

One of the four docks there is for construction of the aircraft carriers, they said.

Shipbuilding sources said there are plans to import electrical control parts from Russia and that orders have already been placed with domestic military suppliers.

If procurement goes as planned, the carriers could be completed about two years earlier than planned.

Meanwhile, shipbuilders in Dalian are nearing completion of the 60,000-ton former Soviet Kuznetsov-class carrier Varyag, as a training ship for carrier-borne aircraft pilots and crew. The ship, which was about 70 percent complete at the time of its purchase, was first acquired by a Macao tourism firm in 1998. Since 2002, it has been under construction by a Dalian-based shipbuilder with ties to the navy.

A ranking Chinese navy officer told The Asahi Shimbun that as China increasingly relies on Mideast oil, the aircraft carriers would likely see duty guarding sea lanes in the Malacca Strait and in the Indian Ocean. The officer contended that because the ships will be smaller than U.S. carriers they will not pose a threat.

Ikuo Kayahara, a professor of security studies at Takushoku University and a former research department director at the National Institute for Defense Studies, said China’s plan to build aircraft carriers is a “key pillar to enhancing its naval capabilities.”

“China hopes to broaden its buffer zone to protect its coasts from a perceived threat from the United States,” Kayahara said.(IHT/Asahi: December 31,2008)

Beijing ends 500 years of tradition as it sends the navy out to attack pirates

Leo Lewis in China

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/asia/article5400661.ece

From the dockside of the Yalong Bay base the three decorated vessels that weighed anchor and slipped off into the tropical seas yesterday afternoon might have been any normal coastal patrol.

For Beijing – and for governments watching across the globe – it was the beginning of a new era in world naval history. The interests of China now extend far beyond its borders but this was the first time in more than five centuries that it has travelled outside its territorial waters to defend them.

The last time a Chinese military fleet set sail for anywhere as far afield as Africa with the prospect of a fight at the other end, the ships were 400ft (122m) wooden junks and the commander was a Ming dynasty court eunuch called Zheng He.

The Chinese ships – two high-tech, heavily armed destroyers and a supply vessel – will spend the next ten days bound for the Gulf of Aden, off the coast of Somalia, which has been the scene of more than 100 hijackings within the past year.

There have been seven attacks involving Chinese ships or crew since January and the pirate onslaught show few signs of abating – pirates have made an estimated $30 million (£20 million) this year. On Christmas Day a German military helicopter rescued an Egyptian ship from a violent hijacking.

The ships will spend three months patrolling the seas, protecting Chinese merchant ships and the flow of strategic cargo – chiefly crude oil and minerals – through the region. Critically, and in a significant and historic break with policy, the Chinese ships are travelling on the assumption that they will engage in combat with the enemy.

“It’s the first time we go abroad to protect our strategic interests armed with military force,” Wu Shengli, the commander of the Chinese Navy, said at the launch on Hainan island. He described the deployment as an international humanitarian mission.

Lieutenant-Commander Xie Zengling said: “If the pirates make direct threats to the warships or the vessels we escort, the fleet will take counter-measures.” His special forces members could “handle several enemies with their bare hands”, he added.

The ships, which have a crew of 800, will join a swelling armada of ships from navies around the world – all deployed in recent weeks after the United Nations called for a sterner response to the escalation of piracy. The international and cooperative nature of the Aden deployment however, defence analysts said, does not disguise the significance of yesterday’s departure.

In an era when China is playing a much larger global role in commerce and politics, the deployment redefines it as a nation prepared to spill blood protecting its diverse stakes in the world economy. Some also see it as yet another step on China’s path to superpower status. This week, in a rare press conference, senior Defence Ministry figures said for the first time that China was seriously considering building its first aircraft carrier – a development that has been rumoured since the 1980s. “An aircraft carrier is a symbol of the country’s overall national strength as well as the competitiveness of the country’s force,” said Colonel Huang Xueping.

The prospect of a Chinese aircraft carrier has obsessed defence analysts in Washington and around the Asia region where China is engaged in a series of territorial and resource disputes with its neighbours.

Japan, which has already expressed concerns over China’s growing military spending, showed clear signs that it was rattled by Beijing’s deployment to Aden. Taro Aso, the Prime Minister, yesterday ordered his Defence Ministry to find a way to also deploy naval vessels to fight pirates off Somalia.

The apparent eagerness by Beijing to join the nations represented in Aden – including Britain, the US and Russia – is also thought to derive from rivalry with India, whose ships have shouldered much of the burden of fighting piracy in the region.

Sailing out of the past

— Zheng He is also known as Cheng Ho, or the Three Jewel Eunuch Admiral

— He was castrated at the age of 10, when Ming troops went to his village to crush Mongol rebels

— After being captured he was sent to the army, and rose through the ranks to become Chief Eunuch and admiral

— In 28 years he sailed to 37 countries. More than 1,100 treasure ships, some more than 400ft in length, were constructed for his seven voyages

— Some historians suggest that he was the inspiration for Sinbad the Sailor. Another theory suggests that he discovered the New World in the 1420s, 70 years before Columbus

Sources: Columbia Encyclopaedia; Encyclopaedia of World Biography; Dictionary of World History; bbc.co.uk

J-10 climbs almost vertically shows its good ability to pull a high AoA

Video clip with music from the J-10’s stun show in Zhuhai08

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mB90zVT7AOs

Essentaillly collecting $50B from resturants/real estate. and to collect $50B form city service need atleast $2T of economic activity. so it is $200K per capita.

Investment is citigroup/barclays which is likely to be half by now.
It shows very significant point that Singpore does not own its own money so it is not prosperity. In that case it can buy 100 JSF for recycling.

1. Lol, before you were talking per capital but now is budget, hey, Bagdad got an impressive budget for re-building as well. So Iraqis are much better off than most westerners’ cities already. I can tell you, mathematics does not work in your casual way that u show us as usual.

2. In booming times, obviously u r not allowed to access some of the strategic asserts, so it’s worth for the short time downfall in exchange for long term prospect. Equal a profit generating economic entity (Citigroup) to an equipments ( JSF) without deemed commercial value yet again showcases your no matching ignorance.