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Yes…its called the radar horizon.
CEAFAR/AUSPAR and APAR both are search sets with very high datarate horizon search modes. The Aussie mount so much so that it has a physically separate X-band FC installation.
Topweight. Why do you think the T45 has the beam it does?. You cant put high weight loads on top of an 150ft masthead on a ship. As for money do you know what we spent on MESAR/Sampson?. Putting in 4 fixed panels cost wise would have been a drop in the ocean compared to the development costs of the system. BAE also determined that they were unhappy with the 4 fixed panel array as it presented the opportunity for an attacker to concentrate a streaming attack on one bearing and saturate one panel. .
Cost is officially quoted by BAE as one of the reason and the weight issue is also rebuffed considering the rotating mechanism also adding pounds.
“BAE Systems says that employing two rotating active arrays, as opposed to four fixed arrays, is “better” because of the high cost involved in procuring the arrays and the problems associated of mounting the relatively heavy arrays as high as possible on the ship, to make maximum use of the available type of ship-defense missile. “
However, it should be pointed out BAE Systems has in practice primarily adopted a rotating array as a compromise solution driven by cost, and that the weight argument in favour is offset by the added structural weight of rotation-proof housing and, of course, drive motors. If phased arrays had zero cost, a multi-face fixed set-up would surely have been preferred be preferred as the advantages of a fixed set-up are so significant. The comment about saturation attacks against fixed arrays have more to do with the missiles that are guided than with the radar being fixed or not.”
http://navy-matters.beedall.com/sampson.htm
The only system that combines phased array technology with a need for a separate horizon-search set is the US SPY-1. This is because, as the US has admitted, SPY-1 wasnt optimised for low angle work…it was designed to manage large numbers of high altitude tracks. The SPQ-9B is installed in US ships not because its the better setup, but, to cover deficiencies in the primary radar!.
On the contrary, it’s quite popular for top notch navies, DDG1000 is another example– featuring the S-band VSR fixed array similar to the 052C’s AESA for volume search, while the separated X-band SPY-3, another fixed multi-faced AESA for horizon search. I wouldn’t be surprised that on top of the fixed S-band AESA, next PLAN DDG design will feature separated X or C-band AESA on top of the mast, at least in the rotating form, if not the SPY-3 fixed type, to provide horizon search while FC for ESSM/ HQ-16 type of AAM for close defense.
Do you want to have another look at the DDG1000?. Its radars are sited above the bridge and the uppermost panel is quite a distance up…its just that the design has filled in the superstructure between where the masts would be. Compare the radar layout between 052D, Burke/Tico and DDG1000 and you’ll see what I mean.
LOL, is the uppermost panel belongs to X-band SPY-3 , not the S-band VSR I asked you in my last post, don’t smoke around.
Anyway, if you’ll note, I’m asking if there is any confirmed proof that the set on the Chinese ships is an active array. I’m not being critical of the Chinese ship even if it IS a passive phased array as that would have some clear advantages given their strategic and tactical challenges. I’m saying that the installation looks odd for an AESA so is there confirmation anywhere that it actually is one
If it was asked 10 years ago, probably makes sense, but 10 years on, it’s declassified, most official chinese media confirm it’s active phased arrary, and major western media, probably reporting second hand by translating the official Chinese source, also commonly agree it’s AESA. Such information can be found in major DoD reports or Jane’s etc, do google it.
See the sheer size of the panels, it must make the lightweights envy :dev2:
can we be absolutely certain about that secondary radar on 054a? I always sort of believed the claims it is chinese version of band stand radar for long range surface search, as it makes more sense mission wise.
I mean, here we have a frigate, a ship with a mission to protect itself and perhaps adjacent ships against planes but mostly missiles. Range of its radar is not of utmost importance. And we have the main radar, which features two different arrays working presumably in at least slightly different frequencies. So L band or even S band isn’t really needed there. The chinese radar, if anything like the similar Fregat radars, should work in C band.
And that in itself is pretty damn precise already. C band is sometimes used for terminal illumination, for certain systems. It is a great compromise between huge volume air search and precise tracking. we’re not talking about 5 rpm of 381 type radar with a single face, if type 382 is anything like fregat we are looking at 15 rpm for a two faced radar. that should be enough for decent tracks to be handed over to the illuminators.
I am not claiming anything with certainity, it just seems like a pretty big overlap of capabilities if it is a fast scanning x-band radar.
It’s certainly a SR 64 on second mask, the main sea eagle ( top plate) simply doesnt have enough update rate to handle a sea skimming AshM closing in. The SR64 spinning at 60rpm will make up this deficit.
Regarding the AAW hull…is there any independent confirmation, some export material perhaps, that the MFR is indeed an AESA?. The siting, and sizing, of those panels just look completely wrong for an AESA.
Everyone else who can do AESA has latched on to the benefits of light weight and no waveguide dependencies to mount the antenna faces as high as possible…the benefits of such being so crucial and obvious as to not need explanation. You only mount panels low on the superstructure, as with the Chinese and SPY/Aegis designs, if you need to drive the panels from a high power source thats hard to mount high up i.e a passive phased array.
Why do you go to the trouble of building an AESA then throw away some of the biggest benefits of the technology mounting it so low in your hull?.
Is there any rational behind ur belief that if it’s shipborne AESA, it must sit atop?
Citing current European naval AESAs are hardly convincing because most of them are simple tasked FCRs except Simpson, function wise, a volume search AESA similar to the 052C arrays, however, it’s well know fact that RN didn’t adopt the 4-faced arrangement because of lacking money instead of your fancy illusion that it needs climb to the top. If money is not the issue, type 45 will be more than happy to adopt fixed paneled Simpson radar with max aperture possible, 360 degree seamless coverage and let go the top position to a dedicated horizon search radar like what we find on 052C.
A dedicated horizon search asset separated from.main volume search radar certainly for its merits. The SR 64 on top of 052c is a phased array operating on narrower c band and spinning at 60rpm. It’s dedicated, able to feature pencil beam instead of broad fan beam of a VSR for sea slimming, small target detection and tracking, liberating the main.radar for its role designed to.
If you want a even closer analog, the VSR onboard DDG 1000 is a S band fixed AESA. Having you seen it sit very high?
Finally, PLAN CV 16
Repeating lies one thousand times doesn’t make it a truth, that persisant repeating behavior only demos you also can have a period. 😀
From the pictures, it is hilarious way of transporting a plane. Looks like there is enough intention to mystify what was carried.:D
Actually why the plane need be transported by road was discussed earlier on in the PLAAF thread 15. Check it out.
If our old “China informant”- Bill Gertz got it right: the yank’s Intel community now believes the airframe in road show to be a new type of stealth fighter:
CHINA SHOWS OFF SECOND NEW STEALTH JET DEVELOPMENT IN TWO YEARS
India will become world largest export customer of Stealth fighter PAK-FA even if China start importing it and India surely do know by now anything based on PAK-FA will be far superior than Euro-Canards, J-20 and F-35.
Non of these 3 contenders will have flight and altitude performance with flat frontal and side profile. They will also lack in range, engine and radar power.
PAKFA will be big commercial success as there will be no competitor to it neither in Ruaf nor in export market.
U can just export ur mouth and that piece is far more ” superior” than anything else…
Even at 3m, the airplane is ~12m. I used 3m for my measurements, in fact, because of the different Audi A6 wheelbases. To be 15m long, it would have to be 5 wheelbases long, and it is only 4.
But, the truck gives it away. The plane is about 2.6 wheelbases long, which would require a wheelbase of 5.7m for the truck…which is not available on the 6-wheel version.
We can’t tell exactly which sub-model of the truck it is, but to be 12m long the wheelbase of the truck would have to be 4.6m long, which fits in perfectly with several 6-wheel chases of that MB model.
The top-down image is much harder to compare, wheres this one is pretty straight forward.
You can’t just simply use how many A6 wheelbases long to judge the aircraft length, because the Audi is closer to the viewer and the aircraft is not parallel to the Audi, and actual in a angle ” away” from the Audi, which make it appears even shorter. Without normalizing those affecting factors, it’s hard to tell.
The truck ( actros 3344 locally assembled) dimensions:

Hmm, this does not seem right. The Audi A6 has a wheelbase ~2.8m, not 3. My measurement says ~12m, not 15m.
The Chinese gov agencies only procure ” made in China”. Vehicles. The pictured car model is Audi A6L to be exact. The wheel base of Audi A6L is 3.01m instead of 2.8m cited by u.
Audi A6L introduction:
http://www.ideamarketers.com/?car_dvd,car_camera_online&articleid=3178576
This is the F35 transported from US to UK, I guess at some point, it must use cargo ship
Because the one piece composite structure, F35 is shipped with wing intact.


F35’s one piece composite skin covers wing-fuselage.
The wing is not detachable outside the factory,