I got a good meteor site.. but cant dig it, as its to close to power cables 🙁
but the seahawk site, is a better one, just dealing with land owner , he is taking his time 🙂
I can agree and will say, I am sure the RAF recovery teams, Allways tried there best to recover all they could. before,during and after WW2.
I tend to look at the months of the year too, say a aircraft came down in the middle of winter, or autumn, lashing down with rain, not a nice job in the first instance, but in bad weather conditions even worse, the aircraft had dived in making a hole.
I am sure they would have cleaned up as best they could, even possibly throwing some back in the hole before filling it. we dug a Vampire at stoke sub hampden Somerset back in the 80s, and I think most of that was the wreckage that was thrown back in the hole.
so these sites are worth looking at, as I am sure many were not as carefully cleaned up ,as some others.
does anyone in the bristol area fancy investigating some.. i got a huge list, with some cracking types on them
in a 70 mile radius i can think of countless Vampire and meteor types, ranging from F1. FB.5. T-7 F4 F8.
about 5 or 6 hunters, a EE Lightning,2 Javelins,2 seahawks, a sabre,2 Canberra’s ,B36, Target tug Beaufighter ,3 Hastings, 2 Lincolns,Venom, alot of harvards, 3 chipmunks, Baliol,2 x brigands,Varsity,wellington T10,spitfires,
Tempest II the list is endless.
and thats just on the land, and off the top of my head 😀
I Kindly will have to disagree Phillip.
I have found that the period from 1946 up to the mid 1960s especailly the mid 1950s , most sites were not recovered like they are today. simply cleaned up, any remains human remains recovered, where possible, and the rest either taken away, or as is mostly the case, surface wreckage taken away and the hole/crator filled in, I have come across this numerous times, whilst talking to farmers, one of which said his father had to fill the hole in , not the RAF, also the early jets when diving into the ground made such a big hole that they buried themselves, and showed little on the surface,this would be also down to the time of year, how wet the ground was, angle and speed of crash.and if indeed any were killed, the meteor the farmer was talking about, they knew “why ” it had crashed because both of the crew baled out,they gave there report, and it was quickly cleaned up, not much was recovered.
This has been proven a few times . I did scan the site, and the magnoteometer went off scale, … the same way it did with a sea hawk just up the road from it in boggy ground, that dived in in 1962 (pilot ejected)
and i had a expert with me who used the Magnetometer reguarily and he corroberated that there was a lot of metal under the surface. and quite deep
.
Also during the late 40s early 1950s there was a massive overstock of scrap metal, it was almost worthless,and adding to that the high amount of losses in the RAF and RAFVR , FAA in those days .. I believe there is alot worth looking at for the 1950s losses in the UK.. and alot yet to be found .
RAF losses as follows in these years
1946 =1014
1947= 420
1948=424
1949=438
1950=380
1951=490
1952=507
1953=483
1954=452
1955=305
1956=270
1957=233
1958=128
1959=102
1960=80
this list was compiled in the Broken wings ,Air Britain book, post war losses .
as you can see. there quite a few losses in those early post war years.
Hence why i think it a very interesting and rewarding timeline to study 🙂
Good Idea Jaguar,
it would be better than bits of threads here there and everywhere, if I now made a thread, for updates of this Su-7 cockpit 🙂
pictures as follows,
she is build number 7907 , not serial number,
as you can see she is a single seater, I am sorry I couldnt get in any closer, to the stb side, it was jammed against the wall, where it hasnt moved as far as i can tell,
took some extra shots though,
and they had some lovely kit there, Hunter , Vixen, lightning. and much more, a really smart place with a club house to die for .
i think the pic’s say for themselves , the only positions you wouldnt have seen was the back end, which i nearly broke my neck trying to get to it, so sorry they are poor photo’s, I couldnt get to the wheel well, due to it sitting on the ground, i had no way of checking, i will check as soon as i can, but she will be in situ for a couple of months, at the request of the society, due to time constraints, etc.. thats ok, i got alot of sorting out to do in that time.
Please excuse the photo’s, there really was not much room in the sheds,
Oh , and i got a face book page if anyone wishes to join, its a open group,
name of the page is ” Sukhoi Su-7 Fitter Preservation group “
theres no group, etc,just me and friends 😀
i cannot put a direct link up to it, as it shows my own page, and not the groups, so if interested, go on facebook, and search for the above 🙂
I wish i could get Sukhoi Su-7 “7907” to you all.. but cant this year.. will be a must next year :):D
just got back, and have got to say.. what a interesting collection..
Many thanks to Roy for showing us around.
as for the Sukhoi Su-7 .. she is definately a single seater, so 7907 must be the construction number,
I couldnt get to the wheel well, or the stb side, due to it being jammed against a wall.
sadly it looks as is the front nose is burnt off, (outer skin)
.. the rear is cut just infront of the steel Gun blast panels. so she measures currently at 13ft length, 5 to 6ft high, and 5 ft wide,
i wonder where i could find such a thing as a canopy.. amongnst other things,??
on the Collection chairmans wishes It will not be moved for at least the next 2 months, due to club activities, etc, and man power to help remove it .
its going to be a trick one as she is right at the back of the Nissan hut.
will post pics later 🙂
Its Probably the construction number .. due to the fact after talking to the
Society who own it last night, they are adamant that it is a single seater
just about to leave, photos in the next couple of days, hopefully i can find a number on her 🙂
thanks for all your input guys 😀
Hi Merkle,
Is your cockpit a 2 seater? According to a book I have 7907 was a Su-7UMK of the Egyptian Air Force.
Cheers Paul
Not sure Paul.. as I will be visiting it for the first time tomorrow
and the photo’s you have seen are the same as all i have seen up to now, its quite far away from me, and i havent managed to get there until tomorrow,
it sounds right, reason being it came over with a 2 seat Mig 21 ,
and it was reported to be ex Egyptian .
is there any more info on 7907 ??.. when she was built etc,
Very exiting finding out all this history Paul, thankyou for your help 😀
Interesting read Kramer 😀
she certainly earned her pay in that conflict !
but now, i am wondering…. 7907 .. now Where did she come from ..
I will have to write to the Sukhoi company for its records, if any ??
WE NOW HAVE A NUMBER 🙂
SUKHOI Su-7 “7907”
7907 she was, now to find 7907’s history …:D
Hi Merkle.
In this site: http://knopka9.narod.ru/ there are many whole planes for sale, including Su-7. Maybe if you ask them they will sell you parts that they own or will obtain.The e-mail address is at the bottom of the page. There is no english version of the site, so if you need some help with translation just tell me. All prices for the planes are in thousands of dolars. Hope it helps.
Many thanks for the link 🙂 .. I have tried to send the owner a email, but it failed to send for some reason. is this a dead link, or are these parts currently active for sale ?
:We have a Number !!!!:D
Sukhoi Su-7 ” 7907 ” !!!
will this give me any way of finding her history ??:D
Thanks Arthur, Tangmere,
Yes arthur, i agree its a nice camoflage set up, on the egytptian Su-7. truth is we really dont know as of yet where she was from, I hope to visit sunday and get some pics if possible,
If I am lucky that plate will be in the nose wheel bay and we will be able to make a positive identity
until then who knows,
the likelyhood is she is egyptian, but until i can corroberate this , I am in the dark,
with no plates though this will prove hard to do
thanks for your input and nice pics:)