Unfortunately time and technology have moved on since the designs mentioned were originally thought of, most are beaten hands down by newer stuff, built from newer better materials and with better engines.
The poor old ATP was only a warmed over 748, so was doomed compared to the ATR42/72/Dash8 all with lower structural weight/better payload.
What would be interesting would be to remanufacture an old wooden Miles/DH/Percival type in composite and see how it compared, wont happen though.
Richard
I realise they are probably a design concept, whether by Miles I wouldnt like to say, but the combination of such a long nose containing seven people and a short rear fuselage looks like a CofG nightmare.
Miles got the most out of horse power but two Gipsy Majors doesnt seem enough, the Gemini wasnt overpowered carrying four.
Pretty though.
Richard
Not to mention the lack of fin area compared to the fuselage area foreward.
I for one would be happy to see a Tempest II made airworthy using a US made radial in the same way as the Sea Fury racers. The fitting of such an engine does not require modification to the airframe, its all ahead of the firewall, so reversion to Centaurus could be made in the future. It would at least make one fly.
Although what about a Griffon powered one with a Sabre shaped cowling, that would only leave the sound to the imagination.
Richard
I’m guessing there are others out of shot! :p
If thats the case four of the pilots/dog are running the wrong way.
Seven pilots a dog and only four aircraft!
Richard
Its definately a Lancaster/Manchester, two of the images are the fuselage lying on its side, you can see a bomb door hydraulic ram with the end rib of the door still attached, also near the jack is a small round window which enabled you to look into the bomb bay, certainly had them at the rear of the bay, not sure about fwd end.
The two girls are standing by a prop blade the hub and engine are buried and looks to have dropped vertically judjing by the hole its in, probably the aircraft broke up in the air.
Richard
A full size Stirling would be superb but I would settle for a 1/2 scale one just like Shorts did with the S31, built of wood/ply and powered by four 90hp Pobloy’s(a modern substitute would do). Had a good performance and room for two.
After that a Blackburn Blackburn, just because its so so ugly. Not commercially viable as no airshow would want it.
Richard
From what I can find in various publications the RPM range fits roughly with the Merlin, the red segment up to 3000rpm is probably the FULL power range that was only allowed for a very short time, ie start of take off roll until 100ft was achieved then reduced to 2600/2850rpm for the
en-route climb with a further reduction to 2000 to 2400rpm for the cruise.
Many different settings were tried and tested in an attempt to get best range, speed and reduced strain on the engines, especially on heavily loaded bombers, like Whitley, Wellington, Halifax and Lancaster.
Mosquito’s seem to use 3000rpm as the max with 2650 for climb/high speed, and 2300 for long range.
Richard
I have never heard of this happening, but the thought of getting a pair of these lumbering giants in close enough to be in range, defies belief. Would be a bit like a naval sea battle, each firing broad sides at the other.
Richard
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So what preserved aircraft have you flown in?
Has anyone flown in any warbirds or preserved aircraft that are perhaps now in museums? I have flown in Swordfish LS326, Airspeed Oxford V3388, a couple of B-25s, B-17G “Sally B”, a Beech 17 Staggerwing, several Tiger Moths (can you call these preserved?) and even the RAF Jetstream that has recently been retired to Cosford. What have you flown in that is now in a museum?
Adrian
Now that Mark12 has put this thread back on track I will add my contribution with a flight aboard Sandringham VP-LVE, an aircraft that started life as a MkIII Sunderland JM715. It happened on the 5th of September 1977 from Calshot. I remember alot about that day, the low cloud that nearly prevented it, visiting the flight deck while in flight, the spray and how quit the cabin was once power was reduced. This aircraft now in the Southampton Solent Sky Museum.
One other thing that I recall was sitting next to an enthusiast who had flown on many types including the last flying HP Hermes. We both noted a woman, with I assume her daughter, aged about 10, who took barely any notice of the event, as if she were on a bus. We thought it a waste of a seat and someone else who would really appreciate it could have been there in her place. Id’e like to think she remembers it fondly now, I certainly do. Cost in 1977 £13.
Richard
I think it is unique in another area – that of markings. It would be the only British biplane (albeit a temporary one) that has the blue/red roundel on the upper surface of both upper and lower wings.
Pretty aircraft.
I think the DH6 might have qualified for this also as the wings were interchangeable top and bottom, certainly had roundels on the bottom of both.
Richard
A crash that I nearly witnessed was on my first visit to Old Warden on 27th June 1966. A Cessna G-ASHE stalled on take off when leaving after the display and fell into the car park. Unfortunately the pilot and a mother and son who were sitting in a car also died. Three others in the aircraft survived.
I was in a coach departing for home and remember seeing the Cessna pass overhead, visible through the clear sun roof of the coach. It must have dropped out of the air moments later but I didnt see it.
Later it was confirmed that the pilot had alcohol in his blood.
Richard
At this point I merely wanted to chuck a shot of a Noratlas into the fray, but a JATO version, a Nord 2508, marked Kalinga Airlines (I believe), at Blackbushe in September 1959. Registered F-BFRG.
Why it was there almost the whole run of the adjacent Farnborough Air Show I can only surmise – it was cheaper to park it at the ‘Bushe than go the whole way at Farnborough!
cheers
atb
Thats interesting about the Noratlas I never realised any were used by civilian operators until later on when some ex military ones were were sold off.
Blackbushe and Odiham airfields were both used extensively during the Farnborough Airshow by aircraft either with visitors to the show or carrying exhibitors and their equipment, parking at Farnborough was limited partly due to the crowd line. Some very unusual types were seen especially during the sixties and early seventies.
Richard
Evan earlier was it Doug Arnolds?
Thats a very tight formation of US Navy Dountless. The pair of aircraft in the centre look only a few feet apart. Is the pilot of the lower of the two trying to keep out of the sun!
Richard