While interesting in its own right i am one sad, sad panda over how this thread derailed from a very very interesting discussion of tactics and doctrine into a pissing match over turn rates.
in my simulator derived opinion, sustained turn rate doesnt mean all that much. once the fight gets beyond 2v2, good instantaneous (nose pointage) and energy regaining are far, far more important than half a degree a second of sustained turn.
On a BVR joust its another thing, but there sea level performance is utterly irrelevant, we need to look at what the planes do at angels 30.
I think large scale air combat, BVR or WVR is a bit of a zero sum game. Everybody loses (some).
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