Wanshanwith 2 fire control radars available for 3 gun mounts, “simultaneously” is not the word i would use.
I’ld write a letter to the Italian navy if I were you.
WanshanI’ve been on two OHP Class Frigates. Impressive little ships with the key word “little” Yet, it is surprising how much they cram on so little displacement. While, they are clearly starting to show there age. In the day they were extremely capable nonetheless.:D
For a frigate, they aren’t so little at 4,100t :
La Fayette: 3,500t
Doorman (M): 3,300t
MEKO 200: 3,200t – 3,600t
Formidable: 3,200t
WanshanOliver Hazard Perry class frigates
Displacement: 4,000-4,100 tons full load
Dimensions: 455 x 45 x 22 feet/138.6 x 13.7 x 6.7 meters
Propulsion: 2 LM2500 gas turbines, 1 shaft, 40,000 shp, 29 knots
Crew: 214
Radar: SPS-49(V)4 or (V)5 2-D air search
Sonar: SQQ-89(V)2 or (V)9 suite with SQS-56 MF active/passive keel mounted, SQR-19 TACTAS towed array
Fire Control: Mk 13 weapons direction system with Mk 92; CORT/SYS-2(V)2 combat system in FFG 36, 47, 48, 50-55, 57, 59, 61.
EW: SLQ-32(V)2 intercept or SLQ-32(V)5 Sidekick intercept/jammer, SLQ-25/25A Nixie torpedo countermeasure
Aviation: aft helicopter deck with RAST, 2 hangars (41-46 x 13-16 x 13-15 foot/12.5-14 x 3.9-4.8 x 3.9-4.6 meters); 2 SH-60B
Armament: 1 76mm OTO DP, 1 20mm Phalanx CIWS, 2 triple 12.75 inch torpedo tubes (Mk46 torpedoes), 2 25mm Bushmaster low-angle, 2-4 12.7mm MG
Notes: 1 Mk 13 missile launcher (40 Standard SM-1MR + Harpoon SSM) and SPG-60/STIR SM-1 guidance systems removed/disabled.
Hamilton class large patrol cutters (WHEC 715)
Displacement: 3,050-3,250 tons full load
Dimensions: 378 x 42.75 x 20 feet / 115.2 x 13 x 6 meters
Propulsion: 2 shafts; 2 diesels for cruise, 7,200 bhp (cruising range of 14400 miles at 12 knots); 2 FT4A gas turbines for boost, 36,000 shp, 28.4 knots
Crew: 178 (typically 167 Personnel: 19 Officers, 148 Enlisted)
Radar: SPS-40E 2-D air search; AN/SPS-73 Surface Search Radar; MK92 Fire Control
EW: WLR-1H(V)5, WLR-3 Electronic Support Surveillance Equipment; SRBOC decoy RL
Communications: MF, HF, VHF, UHF Communications (Line of Sight & Satellite)
Aviation: midships helicopter deck with hangar and Talon hauldown system ; 1 HH-60J/HH-65A helicopter
Armament: 1x 76mm OTO DP, 1 20mm Phalanx CIWS, 2x 25mm Bushmaster low-angle, 2x 12.7mm MG
Notes: Originally carried a 5″/38cal gun forward, Harpoon missiles and sonar(s).
The early gas turbine engines in these ships are inefficient.
Modernization: Underwent FRAM life extensions 1985-1992; work included habitability and communications improvements, all new armament, rehabilitation of helicopter facilities, new radars.
Bertholf class National Security Cutter (Deepwater program, WMSL 750)
Ship Control: Integrated Bridge
Displacement: 4306 lt. full load
Length: 418 ft, 125.2m LOA
Maximum Beam: 54 ft, 16.46m
Draft: 21 ft, 6.42m
Max Speed: 28 kts
Endurance: 60 Days
Range: 12,000 NM
Crew Berthing: 148
Boat Facilities: Stern Launch Ramp (1), Can Carry up to (2) 11 M Long Range Interceptor Boats
Aviation Facilities: Level 1, Class 1, (1) HH-65 and (2) VUAV or (2) HH-65 or (4) VUAV
Level 1, Class 2, HH-60J, SH-60 (all), MH60S, VRS
Weapons: (1) MK 110 57 MM, (1) CIWS, MK 53 NULKA
Replenishment: Fueling at sea, Vertical Replenishment
Propulsion: CODAG, (1) Gas Turbine, (2) Diesels
Electric Plant: (3) 1360 kW Ship Service Diesel generator Sets
Carries:
– Long Range Interceptor
– Short Range Prosecutor
– VUAV / Helo Deployment Combinations
WanshanGood Point………….You don’t see USCG Cutters armed with Standard Missles.;)
Not even these 😉
WanshanUruguay Navy shows interest for Germany’s F122 frigates
According to official sources, the Uruguay’s Navy wants to acquire frigates from class “Bremen” (F122), which will be turned off by the German Navy when enter service in the navy the frigate F125.
In 2008, Uruguay has acquired two Portuguese frigates Class “John Nice” (picture below) by 13 million, named as Uruguay (ROU 01) and Commander Pedro (ROU 02). But these vessels are unable to operate the BO-105 helicopters purchased by the Navy. One Uruguayan vessel can operate them, General Artigas (ROU 04), ex-Freiburg.
In recent years the Uruguayan Navy has acquired from Germany four ships of the minesweepers class-“Kondor”, a support ship and submarine rescue (ROU Vanguardia), a patrol ocean (Maldonado ROU), the logistic support ship of General Artigas ROU and a tug , ROU Ortiz.
Hires. pics:
http://www.naval.com.br/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/f122-class.jpg
http://www.naval.com.br/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/rou-1-uruguay.jpg
Any nation that expressed interest in used Dutch Kortenaer class ships, I’ld expect to show interest in these German ships of the Bremen class.
WanshanSeems funny they would mount the 76mm OTO’s side by side? As that limits of the arc of fire! Looks like the have room in from of the VLS. So, why not mount one there with the second one below the bridge also centered…….:confused:
BTW That would also make the ship more stable as it lowers the center of gravity……
Still an impressive ship…….:D
Much like in the preceeding Luigi Durand de la Penne and Audace classes of destroyers, which respectively had 3 and 4 76 mm OTO DP guns (in addition to a single 1 5/54 DP”gun!), each 76mm gun is assigned a sector and therefor does not need to cover a full (or large as possible) arc. In the case of the Andrea Doria class: 3 guns, with a 120 degree sector each. This so as to be able to defend from attacks from multiple directions simultaneously.
WanshanA total of 55 FFG 7 OLIVER HAZARD PERRY – class ships were built, of which 51 for the US Navy and 4 for the Royal Australian Navy). Australia subsequently built a further 2 ships of this design (at a high cost). Spain also built to this design (Santa Maria class). Taiwan built a modified design (the Cheng Kung Class).
The OHP ships were produced in two variants (“short-hull” and “long-hull”), with the later variant being eight feet longer than the earlier version. The reason for the two variants was the late introduction of the SH-60B helicopters. When the PERRYs were designed, LAMPS III was not yet tested and it was not know how the new helicopter would approach the ship for landing. Therefore, the first 26 ship in the PERRY – class were completed in SH-2G configuration. When it became obvious that the SH-60B would not approach the ship sideward like the SH-2G but directly from astern, the remaining ships of the class were completed with an 8-feet long hull extension astern of the flight deck. The long-hull ships [FFG 8, 28, 29, 32, 33, 36-61] carry the SH-60B LAMPS III helicopters, while the short-hull units carry the less-capable SH-2G. In late 1980, the first sea trials of an SH-60B aboard a PERRY – class guided missile frigate took place aboard the previously modified USS McINERNEY (FFG 8). In 1978, a 1:1 SH-60B scale model was used for testing aboard USS OLIVER HAZARD PERRY (FFG 7: originally”short hull” but later lengthened).
Length
“Short Hull”: 445 feet (133.5 meters)
“Long Hull”: 453 feet (135.9 meters)
Beam
45 feet (13.5 meters)
Draft
24,6 feet (7.5 meters)
Built as part of the USN’s shipbuilding program for Australia at Todd Pacific Shipyards of Seattle, Washington
FFG-17 > HMAS Adelaide (FFG 01)
FFG-18 > HMAS Canberra (FFG 02)
FFG 35 > HMAS Sydney (FFG 03)
FFG 44 > HMAS Darwin (FFG 04)
Built by Australian Marine Engineering Consolidated (AMECON), Williamstown, Victoria
HMAS Melbourne (FFG 05)
HMAS Newcastle (FFG 06)
The first three Australian ships were constructed to the Perry class’ ‘short’ hull or Flight I design, with an identical length for both the main deck and the keel. Ships from FFG-36 onwards (including Darwin) were built with an increase in overall length—achieved by angling the transom (the section between the fantail and the keel) to increase the area of the flight deck and allow the operation of Seahawk helicopters. Adelaide, Canberra, and Sydney were later refitted to match the slightly larger later ships.
Length: 138 metres (450 ft)
Beam: 14.3 metres (47 ft)
Draught: 7.5 metres (25 ft)
The Santa Maria class of frigates are the Spanish Navy’s designation for six warships locally built by Bazan (Navantia), Ferrol, Spain. Built in two batches, second batch units (F-85&86) received some improvements. Spanish ships have an slightly bigger beam and were built with a greater weight reserve for future improvements. The class is currently receiving a mid life update (MLU), including the removal of the SQR-19 TACTASS towed array and habitability imporvements.
Length: 138.8 m
Beam: 14.3 m
Draught: 8.6 m
The Taiwanese Cheng Kung class frigates are based upon the U.S. Oliver Hazard Perry class. The frigates were produced under license by China Shipbuilding Corporation in Kaohsuing throughout the 1990s as part of the “Kuang Hua 1” project. Plans were made to upgrade the last ship of this class, the Tian Dan to utilize the Aegis combat system, but they were later abandoned due to technical problems and cost.
Length: 453 ft
Beam: 46.95 ft
WanshanWhich is the opposite of the normal meaning. 😀
Yes but in terms of their surveillance capabilities the term OPV is in adequate.
WanshanIf they had held off for 3 or 4 years they could have gotten the heavily modernised Kanimbla and Manoora…..
Who is to say they won’t get those as well? And then perhaps mod these two to the same standard?
WanshanThey are now Ocean Patrol Vessels. Like most OPVs they have a 76mm multi-purpose cannon, a CIWS or self defense, torpedo launchers for anti-submarine warfare, and two helicopters that can be armed with torpedoes for anti-submarine or Penguin missiles for anti-ship work.
Most OPVs do not have CIWS if torpedolaunchers or 2 helicopters or a full EW-suite or a full radar suite. They should be considered frigates ‘fitted for but not with’ Harpoon and Standard missiles.
Wanshan240 fires on nuclear submarines
The Royal Navy has also admitted there have been 237 fires on its nuclear-powered submarine fleet since 1987.
That’s 11 fires per year for 21 years (almost 1 every month!)….
WanshanAny clues as to why Ukraine managed to not deliver the screws while it did deliver GTu’s?
WanshanNot sure, first I heard about it was on this post.
http://cdrsalamander.blogspot.com/search?q=awww+isn%27t+she+cute
http://www.navsource.org/archives/07/0708.htm
check text with last photo on this page
WanshanFF”G”-8 is going to Pakistan after it finishes it’s next deployment.
Which is sad because they just installed a bunch of equipment to trial Fire Scout on the Perry class.
Didn’t she work with that throughout 2008 in anti-drug ops in the Carribean?
WanshanI can also add that the 2 M-class Dutch frigates “Van Nes” and “Van Galen” would most likely have gone for Pakistan, hadn´t Portugal jump into the “race”
That would have been much better than the Wielingen class. IIRC PN looked into acquiring ex-Greek ex-Dutch Kortenaers as well (aside from the Elli’s).
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