Which would support Scooters argument that to be a viable carrier aircraft the Gripen would have to undergo considerable modification.
By viable I mean capable of regular carrier operations, not just the occasional rather dangerous sounding landing.
But the stretching would be for more fuel and the uprated engine for more lifting power (ordnance). So, not necessarily chances to the landing gear, or addition of an arresting hook. Which means that part is basically sound, even in a carrier role.
This apparently didn’t happen?
Perhaps Gripen International had shown models of a carrierborne Gripen concept privately, but the models in question didn’t actually appear in a public at Farnborough, did they?
I don’t question the source, or the reporting in the Flight International article.
If a carrierborne Gripen model or illustration has indeed been revealed to the public, feel free to prove me wrong.
I’ve no idea whether or not those models appeared (including other variants) at Farnborough 2006. However, irrespective, if any carrier variant, it would be a stretched, up-engined version of Gripen, not the original.
The launchers are concealed behind the superstructure walls; between the tapered mast and the smoke funnel. You can see the door for the exhaust gases of the launching missile in Tango III’s attached photos and the launchers in the attached image below.
At least the Steregushchy and the first batch will use the Uran. Oniks is planned in the long term. http://warfare.ru/?lang=&catid=271&linkid=2179
I’m not sure there is even provision for VLS SAM, but anyway, IMHO it is not a priority for a corvette sized ship. Similar discussions are also being made for MilGem project here in Turkey. MilGem is a patrol ship whose mission will be ensuring the safety of sea trade lines as well as littoral warfare against symmetric and assymetric threats in brown waters. Stereguschy’s missions will be similar to those of MilGem’s, hence the similarity in armament configuration.
The promotional video for the ship shows the alternative armament of the ship being:
Kashtan replaced by 8 VL Onix
2x AK 630s replaced by 2x 14.5mm HMG mounts
2×4 Uran replaced by 2x? new SAM launcher (SA-N-9)
By the way, is it me or the Kahstan on the above photo does not have SA-N-8’s installed on the either side of the turret?
It’s you: they are loaded onto the launcher automatically from a below deck 32 round magazine (2x4x4)
I can’t see any on the model, so I doubt it has SA-N-9s. Not surprising, considering the smallest ship they’re fitted to is the Neustrashimy-class.
SA-N-9 is not currently fitted for these ships. Perhaps in a future variant, if a marketing video is any indication, but this would not be your regular round drum launcher with 8 rounds but a new square launcher, ans also new fire control radar.
One Grisha III in the Black Sea was modified as the trials unit for the SA-N-9/Cross Swords SAM system in the early 1980s. That’s the smallest ship to have been fitted with this missile system.
It isn’t the paving; carrier decks are smoother than runways. It’s the technique used for landing on short strips. It’s been described as, in effect, a carrier landing done on land – without arrestor wires, thrust reversers or braking parachutes. A bloody hard landing. Gripen’s designed to do that for its whole service life. It routinely lands in less than the length of a Nimitz-class deck – indeed, Swedish pilots have practiced carrier landings in simulators, without an arrestor hook.
“The Gripen is a true lightweight fighter, with 78% of the empty weight of an F-16C and about half the empty weight of the Viggen, the F/A-18E/F Super Hornet, or the Dassault Rafale.”
“Unlike the Viggen, the Gripen does not have a thrust reverser. The canard foreplanes can be tilted almost 90 degrees to act as airbrakes on landing. There are carbon brakes on all the wheels of the tricycle landing gear to reduce landing roll. Interestingly, pilots using the Gripen flight simulators have performed simulated carrier landings, without an arresting hook; it seems a bit unlikely that this will ever be done in practice, though no doubt some Gripen pilots would give it a shot if they got the chance. The landing gear has an antiskid system. The two-wheel nose gear retracts backward, while the single-wheel main gear retract at a forward angle. “
http://www.vectorsite.net/avgripen.html
This article from last year may be relevant: http://www.flightglobal.com/articles/2006/06/27/207410/new-gripen-variants-studied-by-saab.html
“New Gripen variants studied by Saab
Saab-led Gripen International is studying future development options for its Gripen multirole fighter, including the possible installation of a more powerful engine, increasing the type’s overall size and maximum take-off weight, and the potential availability of a carrierborne strike variant.
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Models of enlarged and carrierborne fighter concepts of the Gripen are expected to be unveiled at the Farnborough air show in mid-July, says Gripen International.
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The latter is understood to have emerged as a potential candidate to meet Indian navy maritime strike requirements, but could also be offered to countries like the UK if the Lockheed Martin Joint Strike Fighter project encounters future difficulties.”
“The JAS-39 Gripen: Sweden’s 4th Generation Wild Card
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Flight International reports that Saab-led Gripen International is studying future development options. These include a more powerful engine than the current RM12 variant of GE’s F404.
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The least probable option mentioned by Flight International, but perhaps the most interesting, involves the possible creation of a carrier-capable Gripen that would take advantage of the Gripen’s natural short take-off and landing capabilities (it can function on a 6m x 900m runway). The most likely sales target would be India, with a possible future role in Brazil as a naval aircraft or as a backup choice to Britain’s F-35B Lightning II STOVLs on its new CVF carriers. Though the concept is intriguing, these sales prospects may not be enough to justify the expenditure involved.”
http://www.defenseindustrydaily.com/the-jas39-gripen-swedens-4th-generation-wild-card-02401/
PARIS AIR SHOW 2001
Gripen Team Studies ‘Sea Gripen’
The Gripen export team of Saab-BAE Systems has extended its existing studies to a navalized version of the advanced combat aircraft at the request of a potential buyer. Sources close to the program described the interest as coming from “a potential customer with an existing carrier force and current V/STOL aircraft.” Other sources close to the customer say it’s India.
Some serious thought has already been given to developing a carrier-borne version of the Gripen, which has several inherent characteristics that make it well suited to operations at sea. Gripen is designed to use very short runways, and routinely lands using the high sink rates and angles of attack demanded for carrier flying. Any future Sea Gripen would incorporate the air-to-air refueling capability already being developed for all export Gripens. Other changes would include addition of an arrestor hook and some strengthening of the existing undercarriage. Gripen’s autonomous landing system could also be modified for maritime use. A Gripen armed with Rbs 15 anti-shipping missiles would give a maritime strike capability that is unmatched by any existing carrier-borne fighter.
By Robert Hewson
http://www.aviationweek.com/shownews/01paris4/intell22.htm
The Gripen already has potential for significantly increased internal fuel tankage, and further volume could be leverages by using a new Tornado style main undercarriage.
http://img457.imageshack.us/my.php?image=gripenbobkemparticlero2.jpg
Serems like a good place to ask the question…
IF China does build a fleet of carriers, how will that change the military balance in the Pacific?
What would be the military reaction (if any) from:
-Japan
-Australia
-New Zealand (Would it prompt them to rebuild an Air Force combat element?)or would they:
A. Not bother to build up military, there’s no way they could match the Chinese in arms.
B. Let the U.S. protect them.
or
C. Be very nice to the PRC…:D
By the time China has a fleet of carriers, so the JMSDF will have several stovl carriers with F-35. The Australians will likely add another flat top to the one they just ordered. And I expect South Korea to add flattops. India would already have several ADS.
Mr McConrads, why would the Varyag sport russian SAMs and associated firecontrol radar it never had in the first place? Makes more sense to put in the VLSs that are on the 054A with Orekh.
LHA-2 Saipan
Light Displacement: 26255 tons
Full Displacement: 39925 tons
Dead Weight: 13670 tons
Length: 820 ft (249.9 m)
Beam: 106 ft (32 m)
Draught: 26 ft (7.9 m)
Crew: 65 officers, 1,009 enlisted
Troop: 125 officers, 1,730 enlisted
First commissioned 15 Oct 1977
LPD-14 Trenton
Displacement: 8894 tons light, 16590 tons full, 7696 tons dead
Length: 173.7 meters (570 feet) overall, 167 meters (548 feet) waterline
Beam: 30.4 meters (100 feet) extreme, 25.6 meters (84 feet) waterline
Draught: 6.7 meters (22 feet) maximum, 7 meters (23 feet) limit
Complement: 28 officers, 480 men, 1436 marines
First commissioned 12 Feb 1971
Viraat
Displacement: 23,900 tons (standard) and 28,700 tons (full)
Length: 226.5 m
Draught: 8.8 m
Beam: 48.78 m
Complement: 1207 crew, 143 Aircrew
vessel retains commando transport capability, for around 750 troops and carries four LCVP landing craft aft.
First commissioned 25 November 1959
BPC Mistral
Displacement: 16,500 t (empty), 21,300 t (full load), 32,300 t (with ballasts)
Length: 199 m
Beam: 32 m
Draught: 6,3 m
Complement: 20 officers, 80 petty officers, 60 Quarter-masters
Capacity: 450 passengers (900 for a short cruise), 150-man operational headquarter
First commissioned 15 dec 2006
ADS
Displacement Standard –
Full Load – 37,500 -40,000 tons
Length 252 meters
Beam 55 meters
Draft 8.4 meters
Crew 1300 personnel [1999 estimate]
160 officers and 1,400 sailors
Not yet commissioned
Decommed carrier Clemenceau and BPC Tonnerre alongside the quai in Brest (20 may 2006): BPC ain’t so small.
It’s sad there are mostly post-TRUMP images available: they were gorgeous ships from the start.
I think this falls in the category penny wise ound foolish: while it may save some cost immediately, sea swap appears to be incurring some other, greater cost at a later stage, due to breaking the bond between men and ship. I don’t think a straight comparision with merchant ships and crews applies: different duties, different stresses. When going into a potential combat zone, trust in equipment and other crew must be absolute.
You owe me.


From: http://macsnavylinks.ca/maccdale/index.html
In their pre-TRUMP (Tribal Class Update and Modernization Program) configuration, the Iroquois class destroyers carried two four-round Sea Sparrow launchers for point anti-aircraft defense. The missile batteries were located on the interior of the ship on either side of the superstructure, requiring some time for them to unlimber for firing. Two quadruple Sea Sparrow launchers came out the side of the forward housing structure on a horizontal arm.
http://www.navy.forces.gc.ca/cms_images/ship_site_images/ship_about/280/oldiro.jpg
http://www.ibiblio.org/maritime/media/albums/userpics/10001/281phota.jpg
http://www.shipsandharbours.com/pictures/984.jpg
http://macsnavylinks.ca/maccdale/jetty61980.jpg
http://macsnavylinks.ca/maccdale/4steam.jpg
Yup, i know, i was just reffering to the fact that Syrians are going to purchase an supersonic interceptor with thousands of km’s of range, and the distance between their and adversaries capital cities – 250 km.
Just means they can stay up there longer, flying patrols.
What’s a woffler?
Osprey Class Coastal Minehunter, USA: The design of the ship is based on the Italian Lerici Class minehunters built by Intermarine at Sarzana.
Thailand: 10 Countries offered their Mine Countermeasure Vessels to the RTN, who selected intermarine for the supply of this new Class of ships, named “Lat Ya Class”.
Two minehunters of the Ohuè Class were ordered from intermarine by the Nigerian Navy in 1983.
The first foreign Navy to perceive the validity ofintermarine technology was the Royal Malaysian Navy. In 1981, well before the completion of the first “Lerici” built for the Italian Navy, they awarded intermarine a contract for four minehunters.The four minehunters of the “Mahamiru Class” were delivered by the end of 1985.
