



Can someone enlighten me as to why the Dutch have been so keen to get rid of these, they are hardly ancient ? The Dutch cannot be short of cash with al that oil money pouring in at the moment so what is the reason ?
What do you think pays for the 4 LCF, design of its radar and command suite, and equipping it with Tomahawk. They’re also getting 4 patrol corvettes (to keep up ship numbers) and a second, larger LPD.
What oil money?
RUSSIA is not a land locked state, furthemore has the greatest coastline so navy is a vital element for russia. Russia has the greatest energy resources in Siberia, and if Putin decides to close the pipe lines during the winter THE HOLE EUROPE WILL BE COMPLETELY FROSEN.
Aren’t we ignoring European off- and onshore oil- and gas industries here? (e.g. Netherlands has substantial onshore gas supplies, most imports are oil and these are from various sources. Norway and UK have substantial off shore drilling ops).
Netherlands
Natural gas – production: 73.13 billion cu m (2003 est.)
Natural gas – consumption: 50.4 billion cu m (2003 est.) > surplus 23 b cu m
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Natural gas – imports: 20.78 billion cu m (2001 est.)
Natural gas – exports: 49.28 billion cu m (2001 est.) > net export 29 b cu m
Oil – production: 94,870 bbl/day (2003)
Oil – consumption: 920,000 bbl/day (2003 est.)
Oil – exports: 1.418 million bbl/day (2001)
Oil – imports: 2.284 million bbl/day (2001)
Oil – proved reserves: 88.06 million bbl (1 January 2002)
Thank You very much for your quick answer, Wanshan! 🙂
I just wished that the transfer was officially anounced…
too much suspense….
Odds are Portugal, for the same reasons Belgium got them (logistical commonalities, interoperability, # Nato frigates remaining stable, reasonable prices for allies)
The Jaguar IMs – like TUPOLEV TU-142 BEAR-F, ILYUSHIN IL-38 MAY, Sea Harrier and Sea King – use the Sea Eagle AShM for maritime strike. This does Mach 1.1+ with a 110 km range.
Bharat-Rakshak says “With the Sea Eagle AShM being retired from service from the Royal Navy, the Indian Navy and Air Force have also followed suit and has examined various Russian anti-ship missiles for viable replacements and it appears that the 3M-24E AShM is the most likely replacement.”
(but … didn’t India buy the entire stock of Sea Eagle off the brits when they retired it from service?)
3M-24E has 130-km flight range. That’s improvement over Sea Eagle, but doesn’t strike me as particularly long range. Harpoon block II os 67+ nm (124+km) and MM-40 Block III even does 97nm (180km), up from 70 km of Block II.



State Secretary of Defence Van der Knaap (jun 16th, 2006)
“We have, as it happens, concluded a letter of intent with a NATO country concerning sale of two remained M-fregatten. I have only agreed with that country that the internal procedure must be wound up firstly, before I can bring this to outside.”
Source: Tweede Kamer (House of Commons), vergaderjaar (Session) 2005–2006, 30 550 X, nr. 10
The commission for defence has presented a number of questions to the State Secretary of Defence concerning the letter of the State Secretary of Defence dd 18 May 2006 concerning three need reviews which determine part of the Navy study 2005 (kamerstuk 30,300 X, no. 95). The State Secretary answered these questions by letter of 6 September 2006.
“After shedding four M-frigates the Netherlands preserves a capacity of six frigates; namely, four LC-frigates and two M-frigates. With Belgium it has been contractual agreed that two M-frigates will be transferred in the beginning of 2007 and the beginning 2008. Concerning the remaining two M-frigates to be shed from service, contract negotiations are on-going, but it is expected that these ships will be transferred late 2008 and end 2009. In view of the anticipated required time for making the last ship sales-ready she is expected to be decommissined from service by late 2008.”
Source: Tweede Kamer (House of Commons), vergaderjaar (Session) 2005–2006, 30 300 X, nr. 138
The last letter also mentions that the M-frigates may be transferred prior to the delivery and commisioning of any new patrol ships (corvettes).
What?? You missed this??
:p :p
I’m aware the Israeli’s marketed a mobile system combining a number of VL Barak and a Phalanx CIWS unit on the back of a truck. I was not aware of any other similar systems, operationally or otherwise. Which is not to say it would make sense to guard high value land sites with a CIWS. Just curious what the set up is (fixed, mobile) and what the system looks like (straight Phalanx or any modifications/additions.)
What do you guys know. It’s be criticising these kind of judgement calls. Much harder to make then. Trust comes on foot and go by horse. Publicity wise, one **** up is worse than 10 successes.
Well, Project 11990 Anchar was cancelled in 1990, so it has for sure something common to 1155 and 956, although it’s not “related” to them. The main reason why Anchar was discarded was abandoning of 1143.7 Ulyanovsk. As Anchar was intended to be escort to these CVNs, there was no further necessity to build such expensive escorts.
It’s an interesting design with nice lines reminiscent those of Udaloy. Correct me if wrong but does it have 2 Shtil launchers front AND 2 at the back (forward of helicopter hangars, next to rear stack)? How many Orekh total (8, 9, 12?)

The page is http://forummarine.forumactif.com/ftopic873.DDN-Anchar.htm if someone can read in french

12000 tons, Anchar with was used as a basis for the study of two classes of future general-purpose designes. Well, if this ain’t somehow related to Udaloy class, I’m eating my hat. (Roel: your pics?)
Just copy the webadress into babelfish.altavista.com and select french to english translation.
The U.S. Army is deploying a land-based Phalanx weapons system to guard installations.
THis is new… how many, where? Fixed, mobile?
It looks like missile launch vehicle for the Japanese Type 03 medium-range guided missile. It’s a SAM system the Japanese developed to replace the Hawk batteries.
The New Medium Range Surface-to-Air MissileSystem Chu-SAM (Type 03)(Chu-SAM), as the replacement of the Improved Hawk System, will provide overall air defense coverage over army operation areas to protect units and facilities. This missile will be precisely guided to the target by the combination of pre-programmed navigation, up-to-date command link, and active radar homing. Max range: 50 km (31 mi).

Russia after Peter the Great is sea and land oriented country. Do you have any information about the modernization of “Admiral Nakhimov” 080 ? What will incude? New weapons? Neptune mentioned the “Granit 2 ASM. Japan’s navy is more advanced Technically and in size too. Compare “kongo” I & II with Type 45, Horizons, and F 124
Kongo is a Arleigh Burke built to merchant standards. There is very little an LCF or F124 or Type 45 can’t do that an AB can. Just because they are smaller and carry fewer missiles and/or may have lesser unsopported endurance at sea doesn’t mean they lag technologically behind. Why exactly would an 6000 ton AEGIS/MK41/Standard missile equipped Spanish F-100 be less technologically advanced compared to a 9000 ton Kongo carrying the same systems?
Where are you from NEPTUNE? From EU country or USA? Multirole ship means a vessel with SSMs, Long range AAW missiles, CIWS, torpedo tubes etc. The 7000t F-100 for istance has all the goodies on board. Except from SM-2 has 127mm gun, torpedo tubes, phased array radar, meroca CIWS, and Harpoon blockII i think, not to mention the French Fremm, that will be equiped with SCALP NAVAL. Where are the SSMs in Udaloy? Udaloy is “Large Antisubmarine ship” in russian terminology, a further development of “krivak” FF. It would be better for russian navy to recommission and keep the sovs, at least 8 of them. Don’t forget the SS-N-22s and the SA-N-12.Sorvemmeny is much more capable ship than the Udaloy I.
“Slava is NOT a huge ship is 9000t ship”
Last I checked, Slava registered 9,800-10,000 tons standard and 11,200-12,500 tons full load. We’re usually comparing FL displacements here, aren’t we.
Ah, but then theres the single Udaloy II (project 1155.1) Adm. Chabanenko. Main gun and SSM from Sovremenny replacing 2x 100mm single and ASW missiles, 2x Kashtan replacing AK 630s. The fact that there IS a Udaloy II says something about the thinking/recognized needs.
IMHO it would be relatively simple to mod the U2 to received VL launcher sets for Shtil and Yakhont forward of the bridge IMHO (compare Indian project 15A). This would turn Udaloy into an even more multirole ship. By the way, considering there were variants of 20380 envisioned with RIF-M, it would not surprise me if you could outfit an Udaloy with that too if one was looking for something a little heftier than SS-N-12. Admittedly not ideal solutions but relatively low cost low risk solutions for the interim.
