WanshanWell the F124 costs twice of the Spanish F100 and noone actually really knows about F124 Radar and so its idiotic to claim that the T45 is far superior (Do you know exactly about T45 Radar? NO! ) 🙂
However, German Navy will order 4 F125 Frigates in 2006 🙂 Maybe we can continue the discussion then 😉
No one knows about that radar suite??!! Excuse me, in addition to the German F124 the suite is in service being used by the Dutch LCF. It’s a Dutch/German/Canadian development. It’s been impressing visiting USN personnel but … SAMPSON probably IS superior to APAR.
WanshanType 45: 4,5″ Mk8
F124: 76mm oto Melara
F124 was fitted with 155mm PzH 2000 turret as proof of concept (=experiment) only. Future application of 155mm ordnance on F124 – if any – would be more like the 155mm system employed on Bradley system carrier chassis than PzH2000 turret. No certainties here!
Type 45: 48 cells Sylver VLU > 48 Aster 30 only at this point
F124: 32 cells Mk41 > mix of SM2MR and ESSM (the latter quadpacked)
e.g. 27 SM2 + (5×4) ESSM = 47 SAM
Type 45: 2 Phalanx CIWS
F124: 2 RAM launchers with 21 rounds each.
Type 45: no SSM fitted (FFNW)
F124: 2×4 Harpoon fitted
Type 45: 1 EH101 (or Lynx)
F124: 2 NH 90 (or Lynx)
IMHO: Type 45 has superior AAW (superior electronics/sensors) but F124 has better multirole capability.
WanshanWhy do you keep caling me White Cloud?, and what’s your point, this man (PIKE) did exist and he did write about the New World Order, so what’s your point?? :confused:
“If Conspirousies don’t Exist How do you explain”
WE (i.e. most of us here) didn’t begin stating that conspiracies don’t exist. You did. Since WE didn’t begin stating that conspiracies why should WE have to explain anything?
The reason I keep calling you White Cloud is because it IS a conspiracy.
WanshanWhy do you keep caling me White Cloud?, and what’s your point, this man (PIKE) did exist and he did write about the New World Order, so what’s your point?? :confused:
“If Conspirousies don’t Exist How do you explain”
WE (i.e. most of us here) didn’t begin stating that conspiracies don’t exist. You did. Since WE didn’t begin stating that conspiracies why should WE have to explain anything?
The reason I keep calling you White Cloud is because it IS a conspiracy.
Wanshanbecause they have money 😀
Janes article refers to two navy programs. Wonder what they are, I suspect they could be stealth (special) forces insertion vehicles ( both are classified as Advanced development / demonstration / validation of concept ).
WanshanPike was said to be a Satanist, who indulged in the occult, and he apparently possessed a bracelet which he used to summon Lucifer, with whom he had constant communication. He was the Grand Master of a Luciferian group known as the Order of the Palladium (or Sovereign Council of Wisdom), which had been founded in Paris in 1737. Palladism had been brought to Greece from Egypt by Pythagoras in the fifth century, and it was this cult of Satan that was introduced to the inner circle of the Masonic lodges. It was aligned with the Palladium of the Templars. In 1801, Issac Long, a Jew, brought a statue of Baphomet (Satan) to Charleston, South Carolina, where he helped to establish the Ancient and Accepted Scottish Rite. Long apparently chose Charleston because it was geographically located on the 33rd parallel of latitude (incidentally, so is Baghdad), and this council is considered to be the Mother Supreme Council of all Masonic Lodges of the World.
yawn…… White CLowd, buzz off
WanshanPike was said to be a Satanist, who indulged in the occult, and he apparently possessed a bracelet which he used to summon Lucifer, with whom he had constant communication. He was the Grand Master of a Luciferian group known as the Order of the Palladium (or Sovereign Council of Wisdom), which had been founded in Paris in 1737. Palladism had been brought to Greece from Egypt by Pythagoras in the fifth century, and it was this cult of Satan that was introduced to the inner circle of the Masonic lodges. It was aligned with the Palladium of the Templars. In 1801, Issac Long, a Jew, brought a statue of Baphomet (Satan) to Charleston, South Carolina, where he helped to establish the Ancient and Accepted Scottish Rite. Long apparently chose Charleston because it was geographically located on the 33rd parallel of latitude (incidentally, so is Baghdad), and this council is considered to be the Mother Supreme Council of all Masonic Lodges of the World.
yawn…… White CLowd, buzz off
WanshanIMHO it’s fake: never came across any information on it.
WanshanThere is a plan to use the S-3 as firefighters.
The Horror ….
Wanshanper sinodefence.com the Qiandaohu class fleet repleshishment ships are the latest of PLANs auxiliary support ships
http://www.sinodefence.com/navy/support/qiandaohu_3lg.jpg
does anyone know the top speed of these ships ? are they capable of sustaining around 28knots ?
btw what does Qiandaohu mean in mandarin ?
Around 20 knots sustained is usually the top speed for this type of ship.
FORT VICTORIA CLASS Specifications 18 knots (normal), 22 knots (maximum)
Patino / Amsterdam class AOR 20 knots
Only US AOE 6 SUPPLY CLASS FAST COMBAT SUPPORT SHIP, USA has a 22 knots cruisespeed with 25+ sustained but these are powered by 4 LM2500 gtu’s (and their older sisters by half a Iowa class battleship powerplant)
WanshanHow usefull would used S-3 Vikings be in a land-based MPA role? There are some non-mission related advantages. Being smaller and having folding wings, they’ld be easier to protect than larger planes like P-3 Orion, which can’t roll into the type of concrete shelter often designed for a fighter/bomber aircraft. Mission-wise, would they be too small and short-legged compared to their bigger counterparts. I recall a lot of smaller nations adopting ex-USN Tracker aircraft for MPA.
WanshanThat’d be WHITE CLOWD.
My thought exactly.
WanshanThat’d be WHITE CLOWD.
My thought exactly.
WanshanIf what your saying is true, (Which it’s Not) then how come we’re about to witness his (Pike’s) Pridiction of WW3 which will by instigated by the same Group, (Zionists) who started WW1 & 2 he stated in his books the 3rd World War will be instigated between Islam & political Zionism, matter of fact here’s a brief exerpts of ALL 3 World wars he said will be started by them (Zionist/Illuminati) 1. World War1: Following are apparently extracts of the letter, showing how Three World Wars have been planned for many generations.
“The First World War must be brought about in order to permit the Illuminati to overthrow the power of the Czars in Russia and of making that country a fortress of atheistic Communism. The divergences caused by the “agentur” (agents) of the Illuminati between the British and Germanic Empires will be used to foment this war. At the end of the war, Communism will be built and used in order to destroy the other governments and in order to weaken the religions.” 2
Students of history will recognize that the political alliances of England on one side and Germany on the other, forged between 1871 and 1898 by Otto von Bismarck, co-conspirator of Albert Pike, were instrumental in bringing about the First World War.
2. World War2: Students of history will recognize that the political alliances of England on one side and Germany on the other, forged between 1871 and 1898 by Otto von Bismarck, co-conspirator of Albert Pike, were instrumental in bringing about the First World War.“The Second World War must be fomented by taking advantage of the differences between the Fascists and the political Zionists. This war must be brought about so that Nazism is destroyed and that the political Zionism be strong enough to institute a sovereign state of Israel in Palestine. During the Second World War, International Communism must become strong enough in order to balance Christendom, which would be then restrained and held in check until the time when we would need it for the final social cataclysm.” 3
After this Second World War, Communism was made strong enough to begin taking over weaker governments. In 1945, at the Potsdam Conference between Truman, Churchill, and Stalin, a large portion of Europe was simply handed over to Russia, and on the other side of the world, the aftermath of the war with Japan helped to sweep the tide of Communism into China.
3. World War3: “The Third World War must be fomented by taking advantage of the differences caused by the “agentur” of the “Illuminati” between the political Zionists and the leaders of Islamic World. The war must be conducted in such a way that Islam (the Moslem Arabic World) and political Zionism (the State of Israel) mutually destroy each other. Meanwhile the other nations, once more divided on this issue will be constrained to fight to the point of complete physical, moral, spiritual and economical exhaustion…We shall unleash the Nihilists and the atheists, and we shall provoke a formidable social cataclysm which in all its horror will show clearly to the nations the effect of absolute atheism, origin of savagery and of the most bloody turmoil. Then everywhere, the citizens, obliged to defend themselves against the world minority of revolutionaries, will exterminate those destroyers of civilization, and the multitude, disillusioned with Christianity, whose deistic spirits will from that moment be without compass or direction, anxious for an ideal, but without knowing where to render its adoration, will receive the true light through the universal manifestation of the pure doctrine of Lucifer, brought finally out in the public view. This manifestation will result from the general reactionary movement which will follow the destruction of Christianity and atheism, both conquered and exterminated at the same time.”
Have we met before when you were using a different name on this forum?
WanshanIf what your saying is true, (Which it’s Not) then how come we’re about to witness his (Pike’s) Pridiction of WW3 which will by instigated by the same Group, (Zionists) who started WW1 & 2 he stated in his books the 3rd World War will be instigated between Islam & political Zionism, matter of fact here’s a brief exerpts of ALL 3 World wars he said will be started by them (Zionist/Illuminati) 1. World War1: Following are apparently extracts of the letter, showing how Three World Wars have been planned for many generations.
“The First World War must be brought about in order to permit the Illuminati to overthrow the power of the Czars in Russia and of making that country a fortress of atheistic Communism. The divergences caused by the “agentur” (agents) of the Illuminati between the British and Germanic Empires will be used to foment this war. At the end of the war, Communism will be built and used in order to destroy the other governments and in order to weaken the religions.” 2
Students of history will recognize that the political alliances of England on one side and Germany on the other, forged between 1871 and 1898 by Otto von Bismarck, co-conspirator of Albert Pike, were instrumental in bringing about the First World War.
2. World War2: Students of history will recognize that the political alliances of England on one side and Germany on the other, forged between 1871 and 1898 by Otto von Bismarck, co-conspirator of Albert Pike, were instrumental in bringing about the First World War.“The Second World War must be fomented by taking advantage of the differences between the Fascists and the political Zionists. This war must be brought about so that Nazism is destroyed and that the political Zionism be strong enough to institute a sovereign state of Israel in Palestine. During the Second World War, International Communism must become strong enough in order to balance Christendom, which would be then restrained and held in check until the time when we would need it for the final social cataclysm.” 3
After this Second World War, Communism was made strong enough to begin taking over weaker governments. In 1945, at the Potsdam Conference between Truman, Churchill, and Stalin, a large portion of Europe was simply handed over to Russia, and on the other side of the world, the aftermath of the war with Japan helped to sweep the tide of Communism into China.
3. World War3: “The Third World War must be fomented by taking advantage of the differences caused by the “agentur” of the “Illuminati” between the political Zionists and the leaders of Islamic World. The war must be conducted in such a way that Islam (the Moslem Arabic World) and political Zionism (the State of Israel) mutually destroy each other. Meanwhile the other nations, once more divided on this issue will be constrained to fight to the point of complete physical, moral, spiritual and economical exhaustion…We shall unleash the Nihilists and the atheists, and we shall provoke a formidable social cataclysm which in all its horror will show clearly to the nations the effect of absolute atheism, origin of savagery and of the most bloody turmoil. Then everywhere, the citizens, obliged to defend themselves against the world minority of revolutionaries, will exterminate those destroyers of civilization, and the multitude, disillusioned with Christianity, whose deistic spirits will from that moment be without compass or direction, anxious for an ideal, but without knowing where to render its adoration, will receive the true light through the universal manifestation of the pure doctrine of Lucifer, brought finally out in the public view. This manifestation will result from the general reactionary movement which will follow the destruction of Christianity and atheism, both conquered and exterminated at the same time.”
Have we met before when you were using a different name on this forum?
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