WisePandaApparently tender for another fleet tanker is out and two firms have responded.
http://www.hindu.com/2006/12/12/stories/2006121202101400.htm
Defence Ministry set to sign offset agreements
Sandeep Diksheet
Boeing wants offset to be extended to civil aviation
# Elta of Israel agrees to meet the conditions
# U.S. firms do not want it to be limited to military side
NEW DELHI: The Defence Ministry is set to sign the first two offset agreements with foreign companies under the new defence procurement policy. The success with the first two cases of the new offset clause could make it difficult to accede to the American request to make changes in the offset clause, Ministry officials said.
Under the offset clause, all foreign vendors must compulsorily source one-third of the price of all defence equipment worth over Rs.300 crore from India.
The first test case for this clause is for the import of medium portable radars. The winner of the contract, Elta of Israel, has agreed to meet the conditions of the policy in letter. It will buy components worth one-third of the value of the contract from an Indian company. The runner up, the French company Thales, too was prepared to source one-thirds of the quoted price from India.
The second import contract, where the offset policy will be implemented, is for a fleet tanker for the Navy. Both foreign companies competing to supply the tanker have agreed to meet the “direct offset” clause.
On the other hand, the U.S. companies do not want offsets to be only `direct’ in nature. They want offsets to be spread over an entire sector and not restricted to just the military side. Eyeing a multi-billion dollar contract for fighter aircraft, Boeing wants the offset to be extended to the civil aviation sector.
In other words, Indian companies supplying components to passenger aircraft should also be counted as offset for the fighter aircraft contract. In turn, Boeing promises to pass on expertise in the high-end and complex areas in the aerospace industry to Indian companies. At an India-U.S. defence meeting, India was told that the policy should also revise its “positive” inclination towards public sector companies for offset contracts.
On the other hand, analysts point to the relatively small size of the first two offset deals as compared to the fighter aircraft contract. For the radars, the final price was about Rs.900 crore of which about Rs.300 crore worth of components would be purchased from Indian companies. For the fleet tanker, the estimated price is Rs.400 crore. One-third of this value would be just Rs.130 crore.
In comparison, the fighter aircraft deal is much bigger. Offsets would not be less than Rs.5,000 crore to Rs.7,000 crore of very high-tech equipment and systems integration work. Besides, Elta did not break new ground in sourcing from India. It was sourcing microwave tubes, the mainstay of radars, for long from the same Indian company. It has also placed orders for components from Larsen & Toubro.
WisePandathere is absolutely no reason why E2C cannot be made to datalink with JF17 or J10. they’d just need a american origin data terminal equipment onboard thats all. and secure voice radio of western origin compatible with E2C eqpt.
afaik Pakistan is anway fitting western avionics on JF17 and this is just one aspect.
WisePandathe US has approved a fresh $1b arms handout for pakistan consisting of a few thousand Tow2a missiles and Hawkeye aircraft pkg.
So I think we wont hear anything more of the Sino-Pak AEW effort anymore.
Free and good beats hard work anyday.
WisePandahttp://www.hindu.com/2006/12/03/stories/2006120314771000.htm
Array of missiles on the anvil
Sandeep Dik****
They will destroy incoming missiles
# Missiles to destroy incoming missiles closer to earth’s surface on the cards
# First test will take place in first half of 2007, says DRDO scientist
NEW DELHI: “India is developing a complete suite of air defence missiles to destroy all types of hostile missiles,” a top Defence Research & Development Organisation (DRDO) scientist said here on Saturday. After successfully conducting a test aimed at intercepting intermediate range ballistic missiles (IRBM) in the exosphere (upper-most layer of atmosphere) last month, India is now working on missiles capable of destroying incoming missiles closer to the earth’s surface.
The first test would take place in the first half of 2007. DRDO would then undertake the development of missiles with both capabilities. “The entire project is likely to take three years to complete,” said V. K. Saraswat, Chief Controller of DRDO’s Missiles and Strategic Systems Division. The shorter-range interceptor missile would have double the range of the American Patriot missiles.
Interception
Dwelling on the interception by the liquid-fuelled Prithvi missile, Dr. Saraswat said the decision to destroy a missile at a distance of 50 km was undertaken in view of the likely threat perception from IRBMs. Defence scientists were looking at a pack of six missiles to decisively intercept the enemy missile with a kill probability of 99 per cent. They felt two missile batteries would be enough to defend a large city such as Delhi or Chennai.
The project on developing missile interception capability began three years ago. After several simulations and changes in guidance and control software, the target missile was launched on November 19 this year and intercepted electronically. This gave DRDO the confidence to conduct a live test a week later. However the planned launch could not take place because the software to check the health of the subsystems diagnosed the seeker as faulty. “We therefore decided to delay by a day to conduct reconfirmation tests,” said Dr. Saraswat.
Except for the long-range tracking radar, all other elements were “totally home-grown” by 35 private and public sector companies. Three million lines of code were written in India for the Mission Control Centre, the hub of software and hardware systems. A shadow centre was set up to take over if the original centre got destroyed or inactivated. Transmission links to the interceptor missile were based on jam-proof CDMA technology and multiple data transmission links were set up so that if one was jammed the others could function. In this trial, various data transmission and control centres were spread over a distance of 1,000 km.
The DRDO modified the Israeli Greenpine radar to enable it detect IRBM missiles with a velocity of 5 km per second from a distance of 600 km. There was no warhead in the interceptor missile but the radio pulse accurately detected the target missile and the high speed of the collision destroyed it completely.
Good beginning
“Our programme is to build technology to enable a proper ballistic missile defence. We feel we have made a good beginning. This should be crystallised through repeated trials. The kill probability has to be very high because it is generally assumed that hostile missiles would be carrying nuclear warheads,” said Dr. Saraswat.
WisePandathe local SSN is a ongoing project. the Akulas are meant to keep Rus happy coz they are extending lot of help from their vast SSN/SSGN knowledge…in violation of quite a few toilet-paper treaties signed between the “powers that be” 😀
theres a place called Sosnovy Bor near St.petersberg where supposedly a new training school is established to train the IN Akula crew members.
WisePandaits almost 100% that weaponization will be done using EL-2032 radar. however this kinda presents a problem with R77 missile and needs sw changes and co-op from both parties concerned. the R73 should be a easier case. bombs etc should be ok coz India has purchased israeli LGB kits that are surely pre-qualified with 2032. Litening pod integration is on menu.
the EL-2052 was reported to be in flight test early this year in a israeli B707 testbed. I would expect its atleast 3-5 yrs away from general availability.
in the worst case if nothing can be made to work, they can always use python5 and derby which the navy is getting for sea harriers. python5 is a good stick, derby isnt as good as mica/amraam hence a ER- version will need funding if the slowcoach astra doesnt make it.
WisePandapotential fitment of P17A:
– “nagan” sonar suite
– “Apsoh/humsa” hull sonar & towed sonar
– 6xNPOL heavy torpedo tubes (co-developed with kazakhstan ex-ussr
bureau)
– 2 x Dhruv or 2 x NH90 helos
– gas turbine power plant
– high level of hull , acoustic, IR stealth per latest EU stds (one reason why
they are scouting the EU designs)
– 16 x vl brahmos
– 32 x barak-NG if available else Aster-30 🙂
– 32 x barak-1 point-defence
– 2 x 30mm ciws cannon (kashtan-M ?)
– the usual decoys and ESM
– MF-star-mki attack radar on fore mast / else EMPAR if barak-NG delayed
– a 3D search radar of EU origin on rear mast / a scaled up CAR radar from
the T28 ASW corvettes
– 1 x 5″ oto-breda gun
– RBU anti torpedo grenades
– Thales IRST for missile detection
– more sensor and control system integration compared to P17 and Krivaks
– node in the navywide network being implemented
– ability to downlink KA-31 AEW and Heron UAV
WisePandaChina Assesses New radar for Su-30 Fighters — JDW 15 Nov. 06
*NIIP offering N-035 Irbis-E to PLAAF as potential radar upgrade from Su-30 MKK & MKK2 fighters.
*Radar can detect and track about 30 targets and engage 8 simultaneously.
*SAR mode image resolution < 1m.
*Detection against target with 3M^2 RCS is 350-400 kms.
*Using mech & elect Scanning radar has look angle of +/-185, +/- 60 in elevation and +/- 120 in azimuth.
*Su-35 can provide radars max power output requirement of 5kW. Su-30 can deliver less than half that amount.
*NIIP representatives states that PLA with either upgrade all its Su-30 with Irbis-E or some of them or buy Su-35.
*NIIP says that a radar with an active array is a definite chinese requirement for Su-30 and it might be the potential provider.
On a side note:
“Zaslon-M tech is linked to work NIIP has undertaken on Irbis-E.”
Source: Russia restarts missile projects, 15th Nov. JDW06
WisePandaIN has come up with a buget of $800 mil (4000cr) for each of the 7 x P17A ships. This is compared to the $300 mil for the P15 Delhi and something less for the Krivak-III. it will be most expensive ships in IN bar the AG/ADS.
for $800 mil would it be possible to get a latest EU stealthy design like FREMM, horizon or de zeven provincien++ ? note the tonnage would be in 4500t range.
it has to have best-in-class class ASW gear, 2 x helos, latest 3D search radar and a combo of barak-1 and Barak-NG missiles with a 8-cell vl brahmos unit. most of the ASW stuff can be sourced locally like torpedoes and sonar.
mainly the purchase is for stealthy hull , the big 3D radar, the combat & control system, the machinery not for weapons.
WisePandathe next test is slated to be endo-atmospheric at a lower altitude of 30km to simulate quick reaction fire against a target not detected early.
the CNN IBN video has a photo of the guidance radar. dimensions of a medium
sized house. flat panel and mounted on a semi-trailer. definitely not tombstone-MKI, more like a scaled up greenpine++ to me. 😮
http://files.filefront.com/Prithvi_ABM___CNN_IBN_Vidozip/;6287075;;/fileinfo.html
free FLV player need to be used for playing the .flv video
WisePanda4 month patrol endurance fully submerged and 10m hull diameter is what India needs for a credible sub launched deterrent. france/germany cannot collaborate in such nuclear weapon projects with india, Russia kilo/amur does not fit the bill.
so its either something like Akula (reports claim a couple are being leased) AND a homegrown “clone” of a proven russian design with progressive improvements – the ATV
India cannot ignore the 093 SSN.
WisePanda(this is a reliable paper on science matters)
http://www.hindu.com/2006/11/28/stories/2006112812200100.htm
The target missile was launched around 10.15 a.m. Its trajectory was continuously monitored, and the information stored in the Mission Control Centre. This information was transmitted to the Launch Control Centre for launching the interceptor, which took off some seconds later.
The target was a standard Prithvi-II missile, modified to simulate the trajectory of an enemy missile. A portion of the interceptor was similar to the Prithvi missile but its second stage was a totally new segment.
The interceptor had inertial navigation guidance system, used mid-course in the flight, and an active seeker-guidance system in its terminal phase to waylay the incoming missile. Many technologies relevant to the interceptor were validated in the mission. A radar was used and the interceptor had a seeker guidance on board.
WisePandaI think F-16 should be left out of the discussion. thats because good, bad or indifferent there are some “psychological” reasons why pakistan will go for them.
that leaves a triangular contest between M2K-9 , FC-1 and J-10. a A2A oriented design thats a bit dated but with a good rep overall, a lowbrow all-metal A2G high wingloaded newbie and a unknown that looks like EF from the outside but no comparative open src data available.
I will just fly home in my F-22, watching cartoons on the MFD :diablo:
WisePandaI am late to the party but watched it recently. there is no comparison with a dated piece of work like top gun. Les chevaliers aerial camera work is light years ahead reflecting the pace of technology changes……exhilarating is the word.
and that meg ryan-ish hottie was quite good too 🙂 wish they had a shower scene or two …. :diablo:
WisePandaPS890 is a S-band 3Ghz radar => wavelength being = 1/3 nm (nanometers)
so going by Kams link for a +-90′ scan the spacing between elements has to
1/6 nm which is totally impossible by current physics…one would have make
molecular level aesa modules for this to work? 😮
I am sure some secret darpa projects are trying this in the basement… :diablo:
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