True… everyone talks about Terrorists as having lots of manpads and the like, and tihe threat they pose to aircraft… but hardly any have actually been used in Iraq or Afganistan.
Apparently the USAF (and the USMC with its AV-8B+) hold the same view that I do… manpads are more a threat to aircraft with fixed low-level flight paths (like transports taking off/landing) than fixed-wing strike aircraft responding to a short-term fight that usually takes place where neither side can set up a prepared defense.
Nearly all of the successful attacks against airborne aircraft have been against helicopters… and mostly with RPGs, not manpads.
As an example of the general knowledge of Herr Von Braun’s past, I offer this song from 1965… by Tom Lehrer:
Wernher von Braun
And what is it that put America in the forefront of the nuclear nations? And what is it that will make it possible to spend twenty billion dollars of your money to put some clown on the moon? Well, it was good old American know how, that’s what, as provided by good old Americans like Dr. Wernher von Braun!
Gather ’round while I sing you of Wernher von Braun,
A man whose allegiance is ruled by expedience.
Call him a Nazi, he won’t even frown,
“Ha, Nazi, Schmazi,” says Wernher von Braun.
Don’t say that he’s hypocritical,
Say rather that he’s apolitical.
“Once the rockets are up, who cares where they come down?
That’s not my department,” says Wernher von Braun.
Some have harsh words for this man of renown,
But some think our attitude should be one of gratitude,
Like the widows and cripples in old London town,
Who owe their large pensions to Wernher von Braun.
You too may be a big hero,
Once you’ve learned to count backwards to zero.
“In German oder English I know how to count down,
Und I’m learning Chinese!” says Wernher von Braun.
Hmmm… looks like some 28 or so hits on the hull of that Knox-type frigate alone… plus more on the superstructure?
Either the ship was real tough (with no DC crew aboard), or the missiles didn’t do that much damage.
Now delayed 6 months or more!
http://www.france24.com/france24Public/en/news/business/20071017-airbus-delivery-late-one-year-flight.html
http://www.defenseindustrydaily.com/airbus-a400m-program-delayed-6-12-months-04032/
Comments here… including a report that French TV is blaming the delay on the Rolls-Royce engines being “not man enough” to compensate for the overweight airframe.
The version of the Gyron Jr. used for the Bristol T.188 was the DGJ.10, which was specifically optimised for high altitude/high speed performance.
from the 1963 Jane’s Aircraft [engine section]:
Length 70″ (191″ including afterburner*);
Diameter 32.3″ over compressor and turbine (36″ over a/b);
Weight classified;
Thrust 10,000 lb.s.t. (14,000 lb.s.t. with a/b at sea level) [over 20,000 lb with a/b at 36,000′ and mach 2.5+]
SFC classified
DGJ.10 first run 7 Oct. 1957, and first flight with afterburner 31 Jan. 1961 (in a modified Javelin).
From other sources it appears the engine never developed the extra power at high altitude/speed they expected.
An improved version of the DGJ.10 was produced (DGJ.20), but I have found no further details at all.
The DGJ.2, producing 7,100 lb.s.t., was the engine that went into the Bucc.
* while Jane’s used the term “reheat/reheat module” when referring to most British engines, in this entry “afterburner” was used, so I did also.
Yep, that’s a Sabre-Dog all right.
Thanks for the extra pic.
So a one-off, experimental Merlin produced 2,640 hp for 15 minutes… and a one-off, experimental Allison V-1710 produced 2,800 hp.
Not very applicable to what was in the aircraft, but it just shows my point… both engines were very comparable.
Btw, if both reheat pipes have the same external diameter, why was the Avon pipe 28.8″ and the Spey 36.8″ id?
OK, I meant to get back to this quite a while ago, but didn’t.
Now that this thread has been “zombied”, I’ll answer this more directly.
Simply put, the Spey passes more air through than the Avon, and thus requires a larger diameter jet-pipe. This is because of the difference in the type of engine.
As a turbojet, the Avon relies on high temperatures to expand the air passing through the engine. This expansion, passing through a constricted jet-pipe, accelerates the air to a high speed, which provides the thrust.
As a turbofan, the Spey relies only partially on expansion thrust, and augments it by using a fan section larger than the engine core to push significant amounts of air around the combustion chamber. This cooler air, together with the core of high-temperature air, is then forced out the jetpipe. The cooler air is slower as it leaves the engine, thus a greater mass of air is required to produce a similar amount of thrust. This requires the larger diameter jet-pipe to prevent back-pressure which would lessen the effectiveness and efficiency of the engine.
This is shown by the air-mass flow figures of each engine (in pounds of air per second).
Avon 200/300 (10,000-12,600 lb.s.t. without reheat) – 170-175 lb/sec.
Spey (11,030-12,550 lb.s.t. without reheat) – 200-210 lb/sec.
As the reheat module has already been discussed, no more need be said about it.
Gyron [D.Gy.2 1957]: length 121.3″ (without reheat unit); width 49.9″; height 55.2″; overall diameter less accessories 46.25″; weight 4,200 lb; D.Gy.1 15,000 lb.s.t., SFC .95; D.Gy.2 20,000 lb.s.t. (25,000 lb.s.t w/reheat), SFC 1.04
Olympus mk 201 [1958]: length 126.4″; diameter 41.75″; weight 3,800 lb; 17,000 lb.s.t., SFC ~.80
Olympus mk 301 [1962]: length 128″; diameter 44.5″; weight 3,800 lb; 20,000 lb.s.t., SFC ~.80
Olympus mk 320: 30,600 lb.s.t. (33,000 lb.s.t. w/reheat) planned for TSR.2
The Gyron was only a little larger and heavier than the Olympus, and produced similar thrust ratings… but had a 25% worse fuel comsumption.
Were they F-86Ds or F-86Ks?
They both had the same APG-37 nose radar, with the -D having the E-4 fire control system optimized for the retractable under-fuselage rocket pack, and the -K having the MG-4 fire control system optimized for the 4x20mm armament to fit NATO standards.
The -D was originally produced for the USAF only, with the -K being produced for NATO customers.
I know that Yugoslavia eventually got ex-USAF -Ds, but did Denmark get the NATO -Ks or ex-USAF -Ds?
In 1940, when the P-38 was in flight testing and the P-51 was being designed, the Allison did indeed produce more power than the (then current) Merlin 60… and the Merlin had only a single-stage supercharger.*
Fast forward 2 years, and the Merlin had its 2-stage SC and produced more power. The Allison’s turbo-supercharger was still getting its bugs worked out, and the P-51 wasn’t set to get the TSC anyway.
Two more years, and the Allisons in the P-38J/L were again producing more power than the Merlin… and the TSC was working acceptably.
Then RR came out with the Griffon… and the scales tipped again.
It all depends on just when you do your comparison.
* technicalities are from memory… which may be faulty… YMMV
The best long-term storage is alwayl a hard copy, that needs no set item of tech to view/read.
You can always do a new scan/copy from the original, but not always from a storage media that needs X type computer with Y drive and Z program.
Site worked just fine this time… nice planes and nice photos. 😀
OK, I can get to the “home” page, but everything else produces a white page with “Service not available”! 🙁
Djcross… why are you ignoring reality?
The F-35 is not, and NEVER WAS to replace the Super Hornet.
It was under development (in its JAST/ASTOVL form) before the SH was ever proposed.
The USN is buying F-35s to meet its mid and long RANGE strike requirements… and to provide a stealth capability that NO wing for the SH could provide.
Claiming the F-35 is being bought to address deficiencies in the F/A-18E/F is completely incorrect… it is being bought to do things the SH was never intended to do… period.
The F-35 for the USN is an F/A-18C/D replacement… and an A-12 last-ditch fill-in for long-range range and stealthy strike duties.
The F/A-18E/F was a quickie fill-in for the cancelled NATF and A-12 for fighter and heavy-payload duties.
Different aircraft for different roles.