a couple F-86 ones…
The F-86K is the NATO version of the USAF F-86D… without the “Mighty Mouse” A-A rocket pack under the fuselage… and is an “all-weather” fighter.
I believe it was Bulwark that they were looking for Gannets for… some were trying to re-commission her for the Falklands… which would have been quite a job, considering:
1. had been decommissioned April 1981
2. had been towed to the scrapper, but work had not yet started (finally started April 1984)
3. her catapults had been removed in 1958-1960 when she had been converted to a commando carrier
and
4. she had had one boiler room gutted by a fire 15 March 1980, and this had not been repaired, followed by a major fire which damaged the forward hangar and many mess decks 9 November 1980.
Well, Joe Baugher has a nice website on US military aircraft… which includes the serial numbers of ordered (and cancelled) aircraft as well as those actually built.
http://home.att.net/~jbaugher/uscombataircraft.html
He lists the numbers of the F-111Ks as:
“On February 1, 1967, the Royal Air Force ordered 46 F-111K strike fighters and four TF-111K proficiency trainers. These were intended to fill the gap left by the cancellation of the BAC TSR-2. The F-111Ks were assigned RAF serials XV902/947, but they were also assigned the USAF serial numbers 68-0152/0158, 68-0181/0210, and 68-0229/0238. The TF-111Ks were assigned RAF serials XV884/887, with equivalent USAF serials being 67-0149/0152.”
and those of the FB-111A as:
67-0159/0163, 67-7192/7196, 68-0239/0292, & 69-6503/6514
Here is the detailed list for 1967 & 1968, which account for each aircraft individually, with their fates. Note that all 76 USAF FB-11As are accounted for seperately from the cancelled RAF F-111Ks. Unless the USAF re-assigned the unfinished airframes new serial numbers under the USAF contract (which has happened, but extremely rarely… since the USAF started issuing serial numbers by year built rather than by contract in the 1950s), then the F-111Ks were not finished as FB-111As, and the book I quoted is wrong.
http://home.att.net/~jbaugher/1967.html
http://home.att.net/~jbaugher/1968.html
“if there was there ever was in the history of Aircraft Carriers any case of expansion through cutting and plugging?”
The USS Ranger (CV-61) was scheduled for her SLEP 7/1993-8/96, to keep her in service until ~2010.
The USN was considering modifing her by inserting a ~200 foot plug just forward of the island, to increase endurance and aircraft capacity. An starboard-side elevator was to be included in the “plug”, and the port elevator removed, as it interfered with flight ops if used. The waist catapults were to be moved forward onto the “plug” and former port elevator area.
By late 1989, the SLEP had been cancelled, due to the projected cost, the remaining technical questions (like hull strength), but mainly due to the end of the “Cold War”… which began a period of significant reduction of numbers of ships, aircraft, and personnel in the Navy.
Ranger was decommissioned on 10 July 1993.
He was too old to rock & roll…
I would hardly call either HMS Tiger or HMS Blake very elegant in appearance…
Well, since the original mathematic formulae that Lockheed used to design the F-117 came from a paper published in the 1950s by a Soviet mathematician… which were openly published in both western as well as Soviet-bloc journals, I see no reason why German & Dutch engineers couldn’t pull off the same trick.
The man who developed the formulae later said that it had not been classified because the Soviet aircraft design bureaus all had decided that they did had neither the materials nor the computing ability to make an airframe with those shapes that would fly, be controllable, and hold together in flight.
By the time they did (early 1980s), they had forgotten about the existence of those formulae, and they had long since been classified in the US (and apparently Germany).
They are referring to the late 1960s-1980s programs in which the USAF acquired (through different means) a number of different models of USSR warplanes… including Mig-17, Mig-21, Mig-23, Su-17, etc. and flew them in training missions against regular USAF pilots and aircraft.
This is to be expected… after all, only a moron would pass up the chance to fully evaluate, and train against, the aircraft he expects to someday be fighting for real.
Also to be expected is the tone of this article, which tries to make it sound like the US was trying to “catch up” or “copy technology” from the USSR designs… implying we were less advanced.
In reality, the USSR made some brilliant designs, but most of that brilliance was used to make aircraft made with a lower level of materials and electronics technology still be competitive… which they did, and that was a real achievement.
There is only good that can be said about their design bureaus, it was the other sectors which lagged behind… and which are rapidly closing the gap on the US and Europe.
Or could be something else… the F-16 (flown in 1974) was often called “The Electric Jet” due to its “fly-by-wire” computer-controlled flight system, and the fact that its control surfaces were moved by electric motors, rather than cables, pushrods, or hydraulic motors.
The F-22 was given the in-house name of “Lightning II” by Lockheed from at least 1990… before the DOD/USAF named it the “Raptor” in 1997.
http://home.att.net/~jbaugher/uscombataircraft.html
http://home.att.net/~jbaugher4/usnavyattack.html
http://home.att.net/~jbaugher4/newa4_1.html
Alarmed at the trend towards ever-increasing weight in contemporary fighters such as the USAF F-86 Sabre and the Navy F9F Panther, Douglas Chief Engineer Douglas Heinemann charted a team of engineers to work on a private venture to see if this trend could be reversed. They came up with a rather daring proposal for a jet fighter weighing only 7000 pounds. The team submitted the results of this preliminary design study to the Bureau of Aeronautics in early January of 1952.
The Navy showed some interest, but since they were already involved in the consideration of several other fighter designs, they suggested that the Douglas team should apply the same sort of philosophy to the design of a carrier-based attack aircraft. This plane would be intended for the nuclear strike role, with a top speed of 500 mph, a combat radius of 345 miles, a 2000-lb weapons load, and a maximum gross weight of less than 30,000 pounds.
Heinemann’s team responded a couple of weeks later with a proposal that exceeded these requirements by a substantial margin. The normal loaded weight of the aircraft would be only 12,000 pounds, less than half the limit specified by the Navy, and the top speed was 100 mph greater and the combat radius 115 miles greater. Douglas was authorized to proceed with further design studies. During the evaluation, the range requirements were increased, raising the gross weight to 14,000 pounds.
A preliminary mockup inspection took place in February of 1952 Douglas was given a contract for one aircraft On June 12, 1952. The designation was XA4D-1, and the BuNo was 137812. The project was financed by diverting funds from the cancelled A2D Skyshark program. Final mockup inspection took place in October of 1952. By this time, the Navy had ordered 9 production aircraft, which was soon increased to 19.
T/W wouldn’t be that bad, as it was to use 2 of the 30,000 lb (with A/B) F101 engines developed for the B-1… instead of the 18,000-20,000 lb (with A/B) TF-30s of the F-111 & FB-111 (only the F-111F had 25,000 lb (with A/B) TF-30s).
Looking at the angles of the lettering, and the rivet lines on the bottom of the piece, and the leading edge angle, and the paint scheme, I agree… F-105.
buchon, you say, “If the french wouldn’t have pulled out of the project, the EFA would have been a truly revolutionary jet, produced earlier and a lesser cost, but,…french are french.”
Well, if the French had not pulled out of the project, they would have had to buy the F/A-18 for their carrier(s), as once the other nations got their land-based version, they would have refused to spend a single Pound, Mark, or Lira on a carrier version for France… and France would not have enough money left to develop it themselves.
The UK didn’t decide to go for the CVF until well after the French had to commit to a replacement for the Crusader, and with no navalized EFA/Typhoon committed to, they would have had to buy the Hornet in the early 1990s at the latest (historically they had looked at buying them in 1989, but decided to upgrade the F-8 instead, because the Rafale was well into development and the Navy was to get the first ones).
Now, they would have had to either keep flying them or join the JSF program.
Tiddles, “The Uk is lucky that the CVF will never be built.”?
And they would be luckier to have to depend even more on others for any needed military capabilities?
Everything looks pretty straight, with no signs of burning or melting, so I would say it has been stripped and sitting outside for a number of years.
Maybe not, as there were US aircraft involved in supporting the French forces… including C-47 transports operated by “Chinese Air Transport”… the predecessor to “Air America”.