Again I know why the Brits did what they did, the design is set, its gonna have 2 islands. I still think its the wrong design, but, for some reason, I was not consulted.
Probably because you have nothing that any of the apprentices to the designers doesn’t have more of… outside of your blind belief that you know more than anyone else.
And for your enlightenment, I’m not British, and I have always thought that both CVF designs were too small and too slow… and too compromised by “fitted for but not with” and “dual-use CV/LHA” constraints.
However, I understand why the politicians chose those options, so I’m content for this ally of my country to get ships that are better than what they had the last 30+ years.
I’ll leave the detailed design to the professionals, in any case.
I’m sorry….but that article is nonsense when it comes to the “advantages” of two islands. (Ok CVF fanboys…..rip into me. I know I’m a troll cause I dont agree with you.) That article would have you believe that 2 islands take up less deck space than one……sorry, dont buy it. The whole “FLYCO is more optimaly placed aft” is more nonsense. The air boss is on the SIDE of the island, and as long as he has an unobstructed view of the flight deck, he’s pretty good to go forward, amidships, or aft. The pilots are flying a set pattern around the CV, and its pretty much between them and the LSO as far as landings go…….again he is on the SIDE of the island looking out over the flight deck. Now this whole line I’m taking is pretty moot, as the design is set and its gonna be what it is. Its a pretty typical British design and I wish them well with it. Now the fanboys can rip into me for being a “troll” ie, not agreeing with them, but nothing, NOTHING is going to change my mind on this matter, just as I’m positive that their minds will not be changed in this matter. (I call them fanboys because they take the SLIGHTEST criticism of the CVF design personally as if I had just taken a d**p on the dead relatives grave. But I’m tired of keeping my peace, so……IMO, which really means nothing in the greater scheme of things, CVF is a seriously flawed design.)
Another armchair critic with no knowledge of ship design, airflow dynamics of the islands in question, or anything which would qualify him to intelligently evaluate the design from an informed point-of-view.
Years of design studies by experienced and educated professional ship designers of both single-island and two-island designs, with hundreds of hours of detailed simulation, model, and wind-tunnel examinations, plus detailed evaluations and input from the Royal Navy officers who have been working on the RN’s current carriers, and this person thinks he knows more than they do.
The key is in his statement “nothing, NOTHING is going to change my mind on this matter”.
Yep… no matter how much data, experimental results, analysis, and pure fact is shown him, he will NOT believe a word of it… because he has made up his mind based on virtually nothing other than an untrained, unskilled, uneducated (in ship design), and inexperienced guess.
–> USN will lose one operational aircraft carrier group (From ten to nine).
This cut doesn’t actually impact the active carrier fleet.
When CVN-65 Enterprise is decommissioned next year* the total number of USN CVNs will drop from 11 to 10.
Since there is always a CVN in RCOH (refuel and complex overhaul… essentially a mid-life modernization that takes ~23 years), there is only need for 10 (9 from 2012) carrier air wings and carrier group staffs.
Currently, the number of carriers will rebound to 11 when CVN-78 Ford commissions in 2015… but there is serious talk about keeping the CVN fleet at 10 by slowing the build rate of the Ford class and retiring CVN-68 Nimitz early.
That would keep the required number of carrier air wings and carrier group staffs at 9.
*Last month CVN-65 returned from what the USN described as “her last combat deployment”. Her decommissioning is authorized “in FY2013″… which means between 1 October 2012 and 30 September 2013.
Despite that the SH has an automatic landing system and the manual landing ability is just kept for technical failure and to keep the qualification demands.
Most USN/USMC pilots prefer to land on manual, and are allowed to do so at their discretion.
It is the ALCS that is rarely used, normally only for periodic checks of the system.
How costly would it have been to add a fold in the wings just aft of the out rigger wheels?
Somewhat… more in weight penalty on a very weight-critical aircraft than in design/build cost.
I’m guessing that you mean on a Rafale.
Or do you mean on a Mirage 2000?
Interesting bit here:
After her husband died in 1997 she lived there for four further years until, in 2001, she decided to return to England for good.
Initially she became a resident at the Stafford Hotel in St James’s Place, off Piccadilly, which had been a British and American forces club during the war. Nancy Wake had ordered her first “bloody good drink” there in 1946, lured to the bar, like many former secret agents, by the hotel’s then general manager, Louis Burdet, who had himself also worked for the Resistance in and around Marseilles.
In old age Nancy Wake was to be found on a leather stool in the hotel bar most mornings, nursing the first of the day’s five or six gin and tonics.
Though she celebrated her 90th birthday there, and the hotel’s owners welcomed her, they were obliged to absorb most of the costs of her stay, helped occasionally by anonymous donors – thought to include the Prince of Wales.
Northrop’s and Avro’s designs inevitably drew from German research. This is common knowledge.
Hope this clarifies the matter.
Perhaps (and I say perhaps) Northrop had access to some of the PRE-WAR German work done by Lippisch (delta wings) and the Hortons (“flying-wing” gliders).
Since the first “reduced-scale” version of what became the B-35 was tested in 1940, there is no way that the Horton brothers’ military designs (1939+) could have influenced him!
On the other hand, there IS evidence that Northrop studied the work of English engineer J. W. Dunne (tail-less designs active during & just after WW1)… a man who also gave initial help to Geoffrey T. R. Hill for the Pterodactyl series.
Lippisch himself worked with Convair, leading to the XF-92, F2Y, F-102, F-106, & B-58 designs.
What a great shot! I wonder what the reasoning was for the AMRAAM fit in that particular case.
I bet some of the FA.2 fans around here probably get a little weepy eyed thinking about it…
(For the record, I feel your pain as I like the Sea Harrier too.)
One thing that always bugged me about the FA.2 was how AIM-9’s and AIM-120’s couldn’t be carried together while the 30-mm cannons were also fitted. You had to pick two of the three.
With the AV-8B you get the 25-mm gun, plus AIM-120, and AIM-9. 🙂
A nice package I must say.
A few years ago (after this thread was started), the USMC realized that the F-35B’s entry to service would be delayed, and they went ahead and integrated AMRAAM… it was easy since the Italians & Spanish had already done it.
Hi
you are probably spot on there…:D
cheers
Jerry
You see, GrahamSimons… there is a large body of posters here that believe the Americans “borrowed” or stole everything from someone else… and anyone who suggests that the Americans had original ideas is treated with skepticism… and if you dare suggest a Brit got an idea from an American, you will be treated “less-than-gently”.
Like the claim that the only way the Americans thought of the “all-flying-tail” modification for the X-1 in 1947 was because they had the blueprints for the Miles M.52… despite Curtis and NACA having tested an “all-flying-tail” on a modified P-40 (XP-42) in 1943… in both a wind tunnel and in actual flight.
I believe the installation is unique to this particular Coronado, as JATO units were normally hung externally under wing and shed after take off. The article features 33 high resolution photos of the rocket motor installation and tests thereof; a schematic of the installation; and a detailed technical description of the program. Worth checking out if you are a fan of vintage flying boats and unusual test vehicles!
-Jared
Also on the fuselage sides or under the belly.
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Nice to know its not just me. 🙂
The navigation is brilliantly easy and straightforward, click ‘Map’ tag at upper right, a plan drops down the screen showing all the floorplans of the display halls and their various vantage points, click ‘071’ in the ‘Cold War’ building and you are stood right next to the F-106.
Funny… but when I do this NOTHING HAPPENS!
As I stated in my first post, the map serves no function whatsoever… at least on my computer.
{edit: but now it does… and I clicked on exactly the same spot as I had before… yes, I had clicked while the “Cold War 070” was showing on the map, and nothing had happened. I had even tried this 3 times.
Perhaps the site was not functioning correctly then.}
i was just looking at aviation websites an just happend apon the T45 goshawk,totaly forgot they ever produced these trainer planes,just wondered if anybody knew if britain had any plans to operate any? would it not be a good stepping stone and save some airframe hours on the F35c?:confused:
Read this thread… it should answer most of your questions: UK Goshawk
Note when the last T-45C Goshawk was delivered, and compare that to when the UK switched to catapults for CVF.
Yes I meant Syria, sorry, and the campaign could be led by proxy.
The US managed to make France and the UK get involved in Libya after all.
Nic
SO, what is your theory about how the US “made” Sarkozy:
1. take the lead in the UN to get the resolution authorizing military action passed,
2. take the lead in getting more NATO nations to commit forces,
3. commit more assets than any other nation (including the US), and then
4. continue to be the most aggressive of all the “coalition” nations in conducting combat missions?
It sure must have been something… because Sarkozy sure gave the impression of being willing to act alone and without UN sanction!