Problem 1: Overly complicate and heavy expulsion system.
Problem 2: there is a great discrepance between the optimal form for storage efficiency and the one for performance.
These really aren’t huge issues… and design teams in China, Russia, and the US have either solved them or are clearly confident that they will be able to.
Getting a procedure of infraction from European central bank for buying weapons instead of lowering our deficit imbalance?
Thank you for your valuable contribution.
Was that supposed to be clever? Do you honestly think those are somehow the only two answers?
According to Defense Aerospace Italians aren’t satisfied at all with industrial returns…
I can think of one easy way they can increase the line’s throughput.
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A2A missiles designed along those guidelines for internal carriage has been developed already and put on operational use : AIM-4 and AIM-26 Falcon deployed on F-102 and F-106.
An utter disaster but they exemplify well the problem with internal carriage of such a category of weapons .
Yes, two missiles from the 1950s absolutely “exemplify well the problem with internal carriage.” Thank you for your valuable contribution to this discussion.
There is nothing like approach XYZ as the most likely to succeed.. Cuda does not bring any new approach.. The whole purpose of the missile is to address a very specific problem of a very specific aircraft, the F-35, and that is complete lack of internally carried short-range/IR-guided missiles. Having a radar guided missile as the only weapon against future stealthy adversaries might not be the best message of the day..
As said, that’s nothing new.. A below-100lbs class missile has existed since mid 70s, the R-60. The limitations of such approach are well known.. Granted that the Cuda would get more advanced and all its internals more miniaturized but there is only as much as you can do with such small device, given the physical limitations in the propellant weight percentage. For any non-F-35 operator, the Cuda does not bring anything meaningful.. Probably that is why it’s still on paper.. Sure you might provide a counter-argument with A-A loadout, but in times where an entire air force of a reasonably rich country like Belgium shall consist of two-three dozens of aircraft I have severe doubts you need to carry more than 4 missiles per aircraft in any scenario.
A missile size is not an “approach.” There are a variety of missiles with masses around 100-150lbs from multiple design teams, proving the viability of a missile in that size class. The difference is that with newer technology a relatively small missile can more effectively reach longer ranges. Of course a small missile will still have limitations, as does a larger missile.
Why is the Meteor the size it is? Why not make it 10″ in diameter and 15′ long? Would that not offer still greater performance? (Of course it would )
Of course it would also pose new problems for the launch aircraft… the challenge facing missile design teams is to balance the various trade offs, and the optimal design for a Eurofighter need not match that for an F-35.
Backward logic by hopsalot.. so typical.. no, but it does mean that a decision made by a brain surgeon regd. brain surgery is not automatically correct..
Besides that, the decision for long range AAMs like Meteor instead of the Cuda vaporware, too, was made by “brain surgeons”…
Swing and a miss again MSphere…
No, it doesn’t mean every decision made by a brain surgeon is automatically correct… but if you have a team of brain surgeons working on something and have identified approach XYZ as the most likely to succeed, I would take their word over a random guy on the internet.
Moving to Meteor and Cuda, those are two completely different designs optimized for completely different sets of assumptions. Meteor is a medium to long range weapon designed to offer excellent speed and end-game lethality for an aircraft that wasn’t expected to be able to get close to its targets without being engaged itself. On a 4th generation fighter and in a fight against a 4th or earlier generation fighter Meteor will likely be be awfully effective.
Cuda is looking at the problem totally differently. Cuda is a short to medium range weapon intended to offer stellar maneuverability close in, but sufficient range to reach out well into medium ranges. It would be a good match for an aircraft that expects to be able to approach relatively close to its targets and that needs a smaller weapon to maximize its internal carriage capacity. (5th generation fighters)
The two approaches aren’t actually mutually exclusive in that an aircraft like the F-35 could carry both at the same time. (Imagine two Meteors, one on each door station, and 8 Cudas, four on each air to ground station.) That would give an F-35 10 missiles, including two Meteors. You could also potentially carry three Meteors and 4 Cudas, which at 7 missiles is still a good load for an air to air mission.
So were the people who made bad assumptions in the past.
So basically, sometimes brain surgeons make mistakes, therefor you are just as qualified at brain surgery as a brain surgeon, right?
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Assumptions are assumptions, whoever comes up with them.
Seriously though, this is the sort of thing kids say in freshman level literature classes. “I have an opinion too, my opinion is just as valid as ____ literary great.”
The people who design missiles for a living have vastly greater resources and knowledge than you do and don’t base their opinions on vague feelings. They will do detailed trade studies on cost, weight, power, space, cooling, center of gravity, etc etc, against desired performance metrics for range, speed, maneuverability, etc.
And these particular F-15E’s carry the AN/APG-82 and are data-linked to both AWACS, GCI and each other. They can also simulate Aim-120C and D variants. When it comes to putting adversaries up against the F-22, Rafale and Typhoon, the F-15C’s and E’s with the new AESA radars are excellent advanced 4 generation threat simulators. While things like IRST and EPAWSS will benefit them further the latter can be built in synthetically and adjusting missile and sensor constraints much the same way they do with Air Defense Systems. The T-38 are there to challenge them by providing volume and can rapidly regenerate. Collectively this appears to be a pretty good training combination given the threat they are simulating. For 5th generation threat simulation they would obviously need to set it up differently but that is not the only advanced threat to train against as a multi-national joint force.
It isn’t just that they are still modern… with the APG-82 they have a brand new and very large AESA.
If an F-15E with an APG-82 can’t detect the F-22/35 at a useful range it is a safe bet that no fighter’s radar is going to be able to do so.
So several posts on the radar-less T-38 and none on the inability of the AWACS or ground based radars to provide any help either?
I also love that the one comment MSphere latches on to is about the F-35’s kinematics, something that the author apparently never had a chance to see…
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yes, I got that.
Because it was that same site that showed the Russian MoD was lying about how many cruise missiles hit their targets…
Why i can’t see Tomcat photo ?
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Yeah, the terminology is a bit off. If they are really talking about the “volume” on a chart then the actual improvement isn’t really all that impressive because a good part of the improvement, likely the biggest part, would be at the sides.
I have always understood the 3x claim to refer to a head-on shot and the larger claim (the 6x part of the 3-6x) as in crossing shots.
It is risky, China has proven that… but efforts are now underway to diversify and stockpile. As you said though the elephant in the room is the environmental impact of the mines. The US’s premier rare earth mine is in California… good luck with that.