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  • in reply to: F-35 News, Multimedia & Discussion thread (3) #2257364
    hopsalot
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    I know PW and LM are two different entity. But they have both signed up for the end product of F-35 program.
    The mystic loss of cost transparent trouble me..
    Could it be that PW f135 cost figure does not bring “good news”, hense lets stick this under the carpet for time being?

    Edit:
    I may not be a cristian jay sayer when it comes to the F-35 program. But that is total irrelevant.
    However, as a tax paying citizen of a country that has pleged to spend billions of NOK on this, my question bare legitim answers.

    I still have the latest huge investment program made by our millitary staff and Elect fresh in memory. It did not turn out pretty at all.. yes i’m talking about our grandious plans to procure 7 new frigates for our Navy. There was plenty of embarresment to pass around..
    Short story can be viewed here:

    http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Norwegian_current_frigates

    My point being, the total figure of the F-35 for our AF, may not be 100% solid.

    I am sure LM has a pretty good idea what the F135 engine costs, but why on earth would you expect them to release that information? What is so hard to understand about the fact that the government buys the engines from PW in a separate contract?

    This has nothing to do with good news or bad news or anything else. It is simply how the contracts are structured.

    Actual buyers of course know what they are paying.

    Besides, the F135’s price is falling as well:

    The US Department of Defense has agreed with Pratt & Whitney on terms for an eighth low-rate initial production (LRIP 8) lot of F135 engines for the Lockheed Martin F-35 Lightning II Joint Strike Fighter, the company and the government announced on 30 October.

    The latest deal is for 48 engines and is worth USD1.05 billion, according to the government. The Pentagon’s F-35 programme manager, Lieutenant General Chris Bogdan, said the engine’s cost has dropped 4.5% over the LRIP 7 cost. The company in 2009 committed to a cost reduction initiative it referred to as a “War on Cost”.

    http://www.janes.com/article/45214/pentagon-signs-lot-8-f135-contract

    in reply to: GENERAL UAV/UCAV NEWS AND DISCUSSION THREAD II #2258634
    hopsalot
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    correct link:
    https://medium.com/war-is-boring/the-u-s-air-force-was-not-fond-of-the-next-gen-predator-drone-77cb9a3d10b8

    I call bogus

    on bad weather, I’ll bet GA installed de-icing systems, but more importantly with greaters speed and I’m guessing altitude, the Predator C can simply fly above or around bad weather, not always an option with the older models
    on satellite signal, that’s a matter of programming. modern UAVs are programmed to fly in loops or return to base if the datalink is lost

    hacking the video stream and jamming GPS can certainly be done. just as it can be done with every technology with a data link (satellites, F-35) or that uses gps (most aircraft, most air-to-ground weapons)
    more importantly modern UAVs are equiped with INS technology, making GPS blocking a lot harder. and their data links use the same encryption as every other advanced weapon system

    what seems the most absurd is the “withstand significant battle damage” argument, considering the F-35 probably can’t survive a few bullet holes

    another USAF bureaucratic victory to protect the historic failure that is the F-35, the Windows Vista of aircraft

    “War Is Boring” is probably the absolute bottom of the barrel in terms of quality of research and writing. It is written as if a celebrity gossip blog, simply crap… and that is saying something given that the Daily Beast is still out there.

    in reply to: F-35 News, Multimedia & Discussion thread (3) #2258841
    hopsalot
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    i think that changed with the quality of the engine in F-16,
    the engines prior was a piece of junk

    A marketing slide designed to appeal to the heart rather than the mind.

    The Gripen NG’s increased empty weight, installed thrust, avionics fit, and overall complexity all point to higher costs. Additionally, pricing the Gripen NG’s development cost as a “new” jet when it is fact an update to an existing aircraft is disingenuous.

    It is true that there are some cost savings opportunities with newer avionics, but history shows that those savings rarely offset the increased costs imposed by ever more comprehensive and capable avionics suites.

    I think the recent contract announcements and revelations about Gripen NG operational costs have pretty well buried the idea that the Gripen NG is somehow not subject to the same forces as the rest of the industry, though clearly some here continue to gobble up Saab’s marketing like the buffet is about to close…

    About operational cost of Gripen E, there is an official 2012 estimative from Swiss Defence Department :
    Programme d’armement 2012
    It is the 1st link (PDF of 52 pages), “Programme d’armement 2012 et loi sur le fonds Gripen”
    In page 36 there is a table to operate 22 Gripen E :

    So :
    the annual operation cost of each Gripen E would be CHF 4.64 mi (US$ 5.20 mi)/year in total, or CHF 0.955 mi (US$ 1.07 mi)/year in fuel, CHF 2.32 mi (US$ 2.60 mi)/year in maintenance, CHF 1.09 mi (US$ 1.22 mi)/year in personnel;
    – using a standard calculation with 200 hours per year to obtain the Cost Per Flying Hour (CPFH), we get CHF 4.77 (US$ 5.35) thousand/hour with fuel, CHF 11.6 (US$ 13.0) thousand/hour with maintenance, CHF 5.45 (US$ 6.11) thousand/hour with personnel, giving a subtotal of CHF 16.4 (US$ 18.3) thousand/hour with fuel+maintenance, or total of CHF 21.8 (US$ 24.4) thousand/hour with fuel+maintenance+personnel.

    in reply to: Shenyang J-21/31/F-60/AMF thread part 1 #2260158
    hopsalot
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    just about any MAWS detect missile launches at similar ranges,
    and the software will display direction on whatever display is being used on that particular fighter,
    whats the fuss ?

    Again, source?

    At a minimum the Typhoon’s MAWs as an active radar based system wouldn’t have a prayer of detecting a launch at those ranges.

    in reply to: Shenyang J-21/31/F-60/AMF thread part 1 #2260163
    hopsalot
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    Any average MAWS system can. South African Gripens, Italian Tornadoes or Malaysian Su-30MKM with Avitronics MAWS can do the same and you don’t see that trumpeted over the news as some huge achievement..

    Source?

    in reply to: Malaysian Airlineus 777 shot down over Ukraine 2 #2261520
    hopsalot
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    Only after radiation levels set off alarms at the Forsmark Nuclear Power Plant in Sweden, over one thousand kilometers from the Chernobyl Plant, did the Soviet Union admit that an accident had occurred. Nevertheless, authorities attempted to conceal the scale of the disaster. For example, after evacuating the city of Pripyat, the following warning message was read on the state TV:

    There has been an accident at the Chernobyl Nuclear Power Plant. One of the nuclear reactors was damaged. The effects of the accident are being remedied. Assistance has been provided for any affected people. An investigative commission has been set up.
    —Vremya, 28 April 1986 (21:00)[60]

    This was the entirety of the announcement of the accident. Tass then discussed Three Mile Island and other American nuclear accidents, an example of the common Soviet tactic of emphasizing foreign disasters when one occurred in the Soviet Union.

    From Wikipedia…

    in reply to: F-35 News, Multimedia & Discussion thread (3) #2263508
    hopsalot
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    …word salad…

    You are a native English speaker, right?

    Consider for a moment that some here don’t even speak English as their first language and are nonetheless able to put together something recognizable as complete sentences.

    in reply to: F-35 News, Multimedia & Discussion thread (3) #2263604
    hopsalot
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    and the suggestion that the “scorpion” could even be considered is utter rubbish…..but the Rafale, the EF or the Gripen NG sure could be, even the SH, maybe even SPECIFICALLY the SH, it is certainly a far better fit, an easier transition for both aircrews AND maintenance Hell, with our current CF188’s now being ON THE JOB till 2025, Canada could even luck out and grab dozens of SH’s right from the US Navy! at bargin basement prices for a better fitting plane for the RCAF

    The Scorpion is by far the best option for Canada. All Canada needs is a plane that can fly out and ID the occasional Russian bomber. The Scorpion can do that!

    They also could use an aircraft to conduct surveillance missions in the arctic. The Scorpion can do that!

    It is not like Canada has to worry about fighting anyone, certainly not Russia. In coalition missions Canada can demonstrate its support with a Scorpion just as much as any other jet.

    Canada needs a jet with two engines. The Scopion has two engines.

    Best of all? The Scorpion is far cheaper than the alternatives. You could buy and operate several Scorpions for each 4th generation fighter. Even the Gripen is far too expensive compared to the Scorpion. It is time to reverse the force structure decimation brought on by expensive 4th generation jets. Canada should buy 200+ Scorpions. Why go fast when you can be everywhere at once already?

    http://cmsimg.defensenews.com/apps/pbcsi.dll/bilde?Site=M5&Date=20141102&Category=DEFREG04&ArtNo=311020007&Ref=AR&MaxW=640&Border=0&UAE-Negotiating-Possible-Scorpion-Purchase

    in reply to: F-35 News, Multimedia & Discussion thread (3) #2263610
    hopsalot
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    Indeed, however I put it to you that choosing a particular product and then defining the requirements according to the characteristics of that product is neither valid nor professional.

    …and there is the problem. If they decide they want a 5th generation aircraft they will be accused of writing requirements only the F-35 can meet. There is no way to make some people happy. You can either accept that the Canadian military knows what they want… or assume that they don’t. (obviously most around here are convinced they know better than the Canadian military)

    I suspect that what you are saying is that the fighter aircraft being produced in Europe are worthless because they are not LO aircraft.

    Worthless? Not at all, but the reality is that with 5th generation fighters operational in the US and well into their developments in the US, Russia, and China the days when a 4th generation fighter would be considered a “high-end” solution to a requirement are nearing their end.

    From here on out you can expect to see 4th generation fighters competitive only as budget alternatives to newer designs. The Gripen, F-16, and FA-50 may prove competitive in that role, but the Eurofighter, F-15, and Rafale are going to have a much harder time.

    in reply to: F-35 News, Multimedia & Discussion thread (3) #2263725
    hopsalot
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    Wishful thinking. Korean competition has put a huge hole into that theory of yours. The F-35 is like an unbeatable heavyweight boxing champion, who unfortunately has lost his very first match and only was declared a winner after he shot the other boxer with a revolver.

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    The whole Gen thing is bogus. You simply buy aircraft to fit your needs, not generations.

    Even if you can’t grasp why the F-35 is a generation newer than its competitors, look at it this way… it is a design that first flew in 2006.

    The Rafale, Eurofighter, and Gripen first flew in 1986, 1994, and 1988 respectively. ~20 years earlier.

    Canada needs to define what its requirements are. If it doesn’t need supersonic flight and wants the cheapest possible twin-jet aircraft to patrol its airspace then a Scorpion might win. If it needs stealth and next-generation avionics then the F-35 is the only thing available.

    Canada isn’t somehow obligated to lower their requirements to something one of the European planes can meet. It isn’t Canada’s fault that Europe has collectively decided to exit the fighter aircraft business.

    in reply to: F-35 News, Multimedia & Discussion thread (3) #2263812
    hopsalot
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    I personally expect further pressure to cut the flyaway cost to below-break-even levels just to get more nations on the bandwagon. You can always try to sell the story to general public at deflated acqusition prices and then get stripped on extreme ownership cost.. but that is a problem of some future government, not yours.

    Which plane are we talking about here?

    in reply to: F-35 News, Multimedia & Discussion thread (3) #2263814
    hopsalot
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    That sounds awful lot like writing requirements tailored for a design already chosen behind a backdoor. It’s called corrupt practices where I live..

    I have a hard time believing you really can’t grasp what is being discussed here. The F-35 has no direct competitors.

    If Canada wants a modern 4th generation fighter then it has a whole range of options to choose from. As of today at least the F-15/16/18, Rafale, Typhoon, and Gripen are all available.

    If Canada wants a 5th generation fighter then the only choice is the F-35.

    It all comes down to where they want to set the bar. If they do the standard thing and issue requirements and then purchase the cheapest aircraft able to meet them then they could end up with anything from an original Gripen/FA-50/Scorpion to the F-35. Where to set the bar though? Do you need a supersonic aircraft? What about stealth?

    in reply to: F-35 News, Multimedia & Discussion thread (3) #2264151
    hopsalot
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    The Oct. 27 brief from JSF Program Executive Office director USAF Lt. Gen. Chris Bogdan to Air Force secretary Deborah James calls for Canada to receive four F-35s next year, by diverting them from U.S. Air Force low-rate initial production (LRIP) Lot 7 orders. Canada would then buy four Lot 9 aircraft that would be delivered to the Air Force in 2017. According to the briefing, Canada would sign a letter of intent within days — “mid-November” — and Congress would be notified by the end of November.

    http://aviationweek.com/defense/jsf-program-office-looks-canada-f-35-swap

    This pretty well drives a stake through the heart of the old “export version” FUD people used to throw out.

    in reply to: F-35 News, Multimedia & Discussion thread (3) #2264530
    hopsalot
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    Those figures accurate?……..I mean for LRIP 8 is it FACTUALLY 108 Million or is HOPED to be 108 Million……


    JUST the COMPLETE cost right now……with the Engine, the support, upgrades contracts maintenence contract etc………does anyone actually know?……..

    That is the contracted price, including the engine and everything you would need to fly the plane. No, maintenance and upgrades are likely not included in that price.

    Looks like Canada is planning to buy its first four jets in LRIP-9, so figure 4-5% cheaper.

    The Canadian government is preparing a letter for Congress outlining its plan to purchase four F-35 stealth fighters in 2017, according to briefing documents from the U.S. military.

    U.S. Lt.-Gen. Chris Bogdan, head of the F-35 program, noted in an Oct. 27 briefing that the Canadian government expects to notify Congress by late November.

    The move will involve juggling the F-35 schedule but the U.S. Air Force has agreed to that, Bogdan noted in the leaked briefing document.

    Canada would take its first four aircraft in time period known as LRIP (low initial production rate) 9, the general added. LRIP 9 covers delivery of aircraft in 2017.

    http://ottawacitizen.com/news/national/u-s-says-canada-to-purchase-f-35-stealth-fighters-in-2017

    in reply to: F-35 News, Multimedia & Discussion thread (3) #2264531
    hopsalot
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    All very well reducing the cost of components but remember the old army saying ‘remember your equipment was provided by the lowest bidder’ or the other one ‘have faith in your equipment but be sure you know how to fix it when it breaks’.

    Good thing that isn’t true anywhere else…

    :rolleyes:

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