It would be great if just one thread around here wouldn’t turn into a troll fest.

Should also get him to factor in the 15% OEW increase that the Gripen E has had since those Brazilian figures were published.

…and it is worth noting that the chart doesn’t say specifically what sort of external fuel load we are talking about. It is almost certainly its maximum external fuel load ( 2 x 450 gallon tanks and 1 x 300 gallon tank), a load which would leave a Gripen totally incapable of actually performing like a fighter.

The F-35 meanwhile would be totally clean.

There is simply no way for a Gripen to win in a comparison of range/endurance/carrying capacity. It is a light weight fighter intended for short range operations.

Consider…. http://aviationweek.com/site-files/aviationweek.com/files/uploads/2014/09/asd_09_25_2014_jas7.pdf

8,000kg empty weight
7,000kg of fuel
+weapons
16,500kg maximum takeoff weight.

They are proposing operating the jet just below its maximum takeoff weight for a “combat air patrol.”

Yes I know Canada is a program Partner.
Which obviously is too much for some People in here, as they now order SH. How dare them!!?

Seeing people trying their best to cast doubt about any urgency on behalf of Canada fighter procurement is sad. Like people in here know more and better than anyone in Canada’s defense Department and Airforce.

You have to forgive my stance, but i’ll take their word over the buthurt F-35 community here anyday of the week.

We are once again left to wonder whether you are playing dumb…

Trudeau said his government would run an open competition for new fighters. Now that he is actually in power they are claiming that there is no time for an open competition (even though the military clearly disagrees) and that a sole source order is the only option. Of course they haven’t even gotten a price quote on what the Super Hornets will cost so it is pretty obvious how much consideration has gone into this effort…

Urgent need?
Lol, well the time table with F-35 program.. say no more.

If Someone with the stick in Canada say they are in urgent need, then let us believe there are.. or perhaps you would know what is best for Canada?(that was a retorical Q)

The stupid notion that all this is the PM decision alone is.. stupid. Reality is that within armed forces they are pretty ok with SH, for now.

Do you even read the threads you reply to?

It is the air force commander saying there is no rush… it is the politicians saying it is an emergency.

Wouldn’t disagree in principle, 9/11, patriot act so on.

Yet, Bush is happily sitting on his couch watching college football. Many of the NSA initiatives were challenged in court.

Democracy balancing freedom and security is an ongoing theme: Alien and Sedition act, Lincoln suspending Habeas Corpus, Schenek v. U.S, NYT v. U.S. Thing is, eventually balance is restored in democracy.

Above all the system continues to work in the US as shown by continued peaceful transitions of power, even between people who hate each other.

Good to see that Russian state media propaganda roubles not going to waste. Neo-nazi existential threat….. hey if it ain’t broke.

Step one, convince population that they are besieged by enemies.
Step two, crack down on media/free speech.
Step three, restore “greatness” through militarization and expansion.
Step four, pass laws limiting freedoms and opposition citing said threats to homeland.

Think about it, why would anyone question Putin if they weren’t either a Nazi or a terrorist?

The only real difficulty is figuring out which one is which.

It seems the Qataris are sending PAF pilots on deputation to train for their new Rafales.

Google translation of the original LINK

Amusing if true.

He is impervious to learning and will post the same tired charts and discredited theories of his ad nauseam.

Forget the fact that each successive generation of U.S. fighter development has departed further and further from the ideal sears-haak shape (and each with a higher Cd in the transonic). The F-15 having a considerably higher drag coeffecient than the F-104, F-4, etc. In spite of this, the F-15 has exceptional acceleration through the transonic.

Yep, wait a few weeks and he will repost it all gain.

It will be the same thing with the Gripen range discussion.