hopsalotThe techniques described in your link are pretty primitive, sorry to say that..
I love it, first you claim not to understand, now you judge the previously non-existent IR suppression measures primative… classic MSphere.
hopsalotBecause there is nothing to give details about.. It’s just blowing hot air and pretending to have some mythical features, so secret that one can’t even talk about them.. Don’t be ridiculous..
What do you mean they don’t talk about them? Both examples I provided are them talking about their IR suppression technologies. They just didn’t disclosure the details, which is perfectly standard.
I am sorry you don’t like being wrong but digging your hole deeper isn’t helping.
hopsalot“We have done something but I can’t tell you what”, LOL… that, my friend, is preciously little… very close to nothing..
On top of that, I can’t see a single line here which would justify the OooShiny’s statement about how the F-35 will have achieved first IR lock over the legacy fighters..
Between the two links I gave you there are a whole list of specific steps they have taken. Obviously they aren’t going to give you the details of the implementation of their approach…
…and equally obviously you were wrong about the lack of IR suppression measures. Thanks for playing.
hopsalotThere are no IR suppression measures to speak of..
…and wrong again. :stupid:
Cost and performance trade-offs were made when it came to designing the F-35’s exhaust system, O’Bryan said. Lockheed Martin chose not to employ a two-dimensional thrust-vectoring nozzle, as it had on the F-22 Raptor.
For one thing, the decision reduced cost. For another, it eliminated one of the larger practical challenges to maintaining the stealth characteristics of the F-35.
The classified “sawtooth” features that ring the nozzle help consolidate the exhaust into a so-called “spike” signature, while other secret techniques have been employed to combat and minimize the engine heat signature.
“We had to deal with that, and we dealt with that,” O’Bryan said, declining to offer details.
The F-35 meets or exceeds the services’ infrared signature specifications. Many of the standard fighter engine features such as a big afterburner spray bar assembly and related piping are missing from the F-35. The F135 power plant, built by Pratt & Whitney, is truly a “stealth engine,” he said.
http://www.airforcemag.com/magazinearchive/pages/2012/november%202012/1112fighter.aspx
Or see page 26 and 27:
http://forskning.tekna.no/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/Norway-and-F-35-7-nov-2013.pdf
hopsalotOf all requirements making no sense at all, this beat everything IMHO…
How is possible that a plane in a normal combat environment has still full fuel after it has dropped its own payload :confused:
It can be possible just in case it make aereo refuel in the way back home but in this case it would be in a quite safe position in itself.
For the rest I repeat my pledge: may the critics list almost a pros of F-35 and the enthusiast almost a defect of it, please?
Just to see if they have some self-judgement left or are just playing a part…SDeems me quite absurd. In a real mission even if a plane start with full fuel it will consume a consistent part of it BEFORE to even come close to drop the payload
Could be almost unintentional. The F-35 is designed to carry up to 18,000lbs of weapons. With two internal AMRAAMs as its only payload even with full fuel it is fairly light relative to what it is capable of carrying.
You are right of course it doesn’t really make sense to specify 9G maneuverability with a full internal fuel load.
hopsalotBasically I don’t mind what you say about me, and you’re not well equipped to correct anyone here as your persistant recourse to personal attack just shows. This stance just make you a blatant troll, which is nothing new but a refresh was welcomed. Thank you.
I find it amusing that you wanted to jump in and correct someone, but when it was shown that you were in the wrong you were incapable of simply accepting that and moving on.
Pride above all eh?
hopsalotThat applies to yourself…:sleeping:
Scroll up through the various posts over these last few pages. Take note of who posts links/sources and who doesn’t. I find it quite telling actually.
The last 8ish pages have been nothing but you and a few others getting corrected over and over and over again.
hopsalotNot surprising, in that particular configuration the two aircrafts have an almost identical fuel fraction.
Cheers
…and yet look how people around here are reacting. If you ever needed proof that many of the posters here are posting based on emotions rather than logic these last few pages are all you need.
hopsalotIt’s your problem, not mine.
So basically you show up, post something incorrect, get corrected, then get gripe about it.
:stupid:
hopsalotlockheedmartin.com, f35.com, codeone.. ROTFL, truly some impartial info..
Nothing to see here, move on…
…and the USMC. He questioned whether the F-35 can perform recon. Recon is one of it missions however, even at IOC.
hopsalotI missed nothing, I just don’t care much. But the fact that you took an outdated source to make a point reinforces my feeling that you don’t deserve much attention.
My my, if you can’t be bothered to keep up you can hardly complain about looking foolish.
hopsalotAs someone already pointed out…. No to your Su-35 example.
And be careful there JW that fat wheezy kid has been taking your love child’s lunch money. Seems most Tiffy operators are keen on getting the FWK instead of upgrading the ugly little orphan.
…and right on cue.
SAMLESBURY, U.K.—After more than a decade in which building Eurofighter Typhoon jet fighters has been the backbone of BAE Systems PLC’s combat aircraft production, the defense company is shifting its focus to the new F-35 Joint Strike Fighter and what may come next.
BAE Systems expects sales from the Lockheed Martin Corp. -led F-35 program to jump in coming years as its work on the program surpasses production of the Typhoon combat jet, Chris Boardman, managing director of the British arms maker’s military air and information systems unit, said.
With its role on the F-35 limited to being a key supplier, the British weapons maker also is trying to retain its ability to lead future combat aircraft developments to remain a top-tier military plane maker.
http://www.wsj.com/articles/bae-looks-beyond-the-typhoon-to-f-35-program-drones-1465513262
hopsalotIf your facing and adversary with good persistance he is not going to be idling around so you can get your fat weezy kid (FWK) into a suitable nice safe firing solution, it will develop into a missile fight at edge of their envelopes, with aircraft going towards the merge and breaking away to deny any the return shot.
This is an interesting illustration of the extent to which you can’t imagine aerial combat being anything other than the contest of kinematics that the Eurofighter was designed for. You might as well be a 1930s naval officer asking how a practically unarmed, lightly armored, flat topped airport on a ship could hope to survive once the enemy’s battleships closed the distance between them…
Develop into a missile fight at the edge of their envelopes? Why on earth would an F-35 pilot need fear an enemy missile shot from the edge of its envelop? The F-35 wouldn’t even have been detected…
Meanwhile the F-35 carries air to air weapons every bit as effective as those on the Eurofighter, but the difference is that it won’t be forced to take low quality shots from the “edge of their envelope.” The F-35 will be able to take high probability shots from the heart of the envelope… assuming it chooses to enter the fight at all.
Apparently the FWK doctrine has the FWK turn up at the fight, fires a couple of AMRAAMS and then sedately turns away for a leisurely cruise back in time for tea and medals.
Well, that is a bit simplistic… but you have the right general idea. Find the enemy, kill them, return home with a minimum of drama.
hopsalotAMRAAM’s minimum range is said to be ~2 km or 2,200 yds.
Is said to be? Said by who? You have a source?
Meanwhile, apparently unaware of your source on the AMRAAM’s minimum range here is what Raytheon was busy with back in 2002…
Flight testing of improved medium-range air-to-air missile gets under way
Raytheon will begin delivering a high off-boresight (HOBS) modification for the AIM-120 AMRAAM to allow the missile to take advantage of wide-angle radar and infrared (IR) sensor suites on the next generation of fighters. Meanwhile, flight testing has just started of the AIM-120 pre-planned product improvement (P3I) missile at the US Air Force’s Eglin AFB test centre.
HOBS, unlike the AIM-120 P3I programme, requires no changes to the missile’s hardware, but uses modified flight control software to permit increased manoeuvrability against targets to the side or potentially behind a fighter. HOBS has been developed using Raytheon funding, but the company has a contract to deliver the new operational flight programme to the US government later this year.
https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/raytheon-develops-over-the-shoulder-amraam-147259/
hopsalotMaybe you devote some of your time to learn a few things about modern recce pods and their integration on tactical combat aircraft, such as the DB110/RAPTOR, RecceLite, RECO-NG or SHARP.
Maybe devote your time to the concept that just because something appears on somebody’s spec sheet that doesn’t make it required for a mission.
Can a U-2 do recon? What about a Predator? What about a Rivet Joint? Do they check your boxes? If not, does that mean they don’t do recon?
You can’t just invent a list of requirements and act like those are somehow universal… The F-35 most certainly has some significant recon capabilities in that it has the ability to collect and disseminate a lot of information.
The system is clearly impressing Beck, who is a former Tornado pilot. “I simply cannot explain to you how good this sensor suite is,” he said. “It is mind-blowing. We don’t actually even need to carry a weapon, albeit we can. I can track targets, identify them all, after having turned [nose] cold [away from the targets], then datalink that information to my Typhoons. The Typhoon pilots can then carry their ordnance to bear against the targets.
“So, I’ve identified everything at distances that no one thought previously possible,” Beck continued. “I’ve shared that data with other assets. I can lead them all into the fight. We are very focused on getting value for money and we can do a lot more by blending our assets.
http://www.codeonemagazine.com/f35_article.html?item_id=182
Does that sound like reconnaissance?
What about this:
Missions traditionally performed by specialized aircraft — air-to-air combat, air-to-ground strikes, electronic attack, intelligence, surveillance and reconnaissance — can now be executed by a squadron of F-35s.
…
Drawing on the advantage of stealth, advanced sensors, and data fusion providing enhanced pilot situational awareness, F-35 pilots can fly critical ISR missions with more sophisticated data capture than any previous fighter aircraft. The F-35 has the most powerful and comprehensive integrated sensor package of any fighter aircraft in history, giving pilots 360-degree access to “real-time” battlefield information. The information gathered by F-35 sensors can be securely shared with commanders at sea, in the air or on the ground, providing a comprehensive view of ongoing operations.
https://www.f35.com/about/capabilities
As the first sensor to combine forward-looking infrared and infrared search and track functionality, EOTS enhances F-35 pilots’ situational awareness and allows aircrews to identify areas of interest, perform reconnaissance and precisely deliver laser and GPS-guided weapons. Lockheed Martin has delivered more than 170 systems for the F-35 Lightning II.
http://www.lockheedmartin.com/us/products/F-35LightningIIEOTS.html
“I am pleased to announce that VMFA-121 has achieved initial operational capability in the F-35B, as defined by requirements outlined in the June 2014 Joint Report to Congressional Defense Committees,” Dunford said in a statement. “VMFA-121 has ten aircraft in the Block 2B configuration with the requisite performance envelope and weapons clearances, to include the training, sustainment capabilities, and infrastructure to deploy to an austere site or a ship. It is capable of conducting close air support, offensive and defensive counter air, air interdiction, assault support escort and armed reconnaissance as part of a Marine Air Ground Task Force, or in support of the Joint Force.”
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